You have absolutely no idea what "manners" are, your dogs aren't even broke. Unbroke dogs don't have "manners". You don't even realize that not all AKC trial dogs are big running horseback dogs. Are you even aware that the ABC Amateur National Gun Dog Championship is a walking trial? And dogs are expected to stay close to "gun range"! I don't care that you have 4 dogs that handle "reasonable well". You probably don't even know what "reasonably well" is. Can you send your dog down an hedgerow when you want? Can you cast your dogs left and right without saying a word, or blowing a whistle? When your dog starts to check in, can you send it back out? Like I said. Im done talking to you about this subject. You want to prove your dogs are the greatest brits ever? Theres a venue for that. Its called trials. The Southern Kansas brittany club is holding a trial in Eureka Oct 10-16. You can run any of your dogs under 24 months in the walking derby trial (dogs aren't required to be broke, and its a walking trial). Why don't you enter and let us know how your dogs do? Or, you could enter the Amateur All Age, Open All Age, or Open Gun dog as well. Its the perfect place for you to prove your dogs worth.. Nothing better then a walking trial to prove how good a hunting dog really is. Heck, you can actually walk for the OGD if you want. Because HB handling is "permitted".
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You already stated your dogs aren't broke. And I already stated that my dog doesn't need an e-collar in the field. You seem to forget that e-collars aren't allowed in trials, and dogs are expected to maintain absolute steadiness, and handle. What part of that are you missing? There's still time to sign up for the Eureka trial. Sign up and prove to everyone how great your dogs are.
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Really, I realize we live in the new civilized, touchy feely era, but if you have a seriously agressive pain in the ass dog. It solves the problem. I have seen it done, and more than once. I have not had a seriously growlly agressive dog to need to personally, but I would do it if I needed to! If you have a serious dog fighting dominant dog it will save you a lot of grief and possiblly save some friendships, and vet bills.
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jetjockey-did I really say that- I'm sorry- I thought I have portrayed that I have 4 Britt's that handle- that don't need "ecollars"
you asume mine don't have manners in the field- I asume yours may be suspect if you turn 3 of your FC dogs loose with mine- without shock collars- as I don't use them on mine- seems fair- right- good dogs don't need shock collars-
As to a broke dog- and me having no idea of what a broke dog is- you have to be willing to pay to see if I know what a broke dog is- you game
you asume mine don't have manners in the field- I asume yours may be suspect if you turn 3 of your FC dogs loose with mine- without shock collars- as I don't use them on mine- seems fair- right- good dogs don't need shock collars-
As to a broke dog- and me having no idea of what a broke dog is- you have to be willing to pay to see if I know what a broke dog is- you game
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I dont' "assume" anything. Here's your exact quote!
"you make a good point- I have one that is steady- one that is 80% steady. 2 that aren't
if- and I say if- when I hunt 2, 3, or 4- and since mine like to retrieve-
I can't see it- one is steady all must be steady- even a trained steady dog will come unglued if the other dogs get to go and grab the bird
steady is a fine thing when you have one dog and don't hunt it with somone elses dog- it's nice when you showoff yours and the other dog is as well manered-
but what is it like- when you take your steady dog hunting with someone who has a real good but isn't steady dog- you going to like the other persons dog getting every bird- how good a dog are you going to have on the 3rd day hunting with that person and dog"
http://www.ultimatepheasanthunting.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8124&page=14
Your still missing the point though aren't you. Ive told you, everyone's told you that just because you train with an e-collar doesn't mean the dog needs and e-collar in the field. I have absolutely no problem turning my dog lose without and e-collar, it happens all the time. She's 100% broke, and she handles very, very well. With, or without an e-collar! What I won't do, is send her into the field with a bunch of dogs that don't have manners, and release themselves when a bird is killed. You said it yourself in the above post that your dogs aren't all broke, and that means they don't all have manners, especially when a bird is killed and falls. Heck, for that matter you even state that a couple unbroke dogs can unravel a broke dog! So you are agreeing with me!
But, Im absolutely 100% game to see it. My dog goes up against the best brits in the country on a constant basis, and it costs me A LOT of money! She win's some, and she loses some. Ill give you a list of trials my dog will be running in, and you can pick any of them to show up to. Heck, Ill even put her in a walking trial if you don't have a horse. That way things will be perfectly fair, and you will be able to tell you how you can't foot hunt a horseback trial dog. You can then show me how broke your dogs (dog) are, and Ill show you how bad my dog handles without an e-collar. Trials were setup to see who the best dog is for breeding purposes, so put your money where your mouth is. Because I do it with my dog several times a week, against the best brittany's in the country. As a matter of fact, she will be doing it again either this afternoon or tomorrow. Then again this comming week against the best All Age Brits in the country!... Pick a trial any trial!!
"you make a good point- I have one that is steady- one that is 80% steady. 2 that aren't
if- and I say if- when I hunt 2, 3, or 4- and since mine like to retrieve-
I can't see it- one is steady all must be steady- even a trained steady dog will come unglued if the other dogs get to go and grab the bird
steady is a fine thing when you have one dog and don't hunt it with somone elses dog- it's nice when you showoff yours and the other dog is as well manered-
but what is it like- when you take your steady dog hunting with someone who has a real good but isn't steady dog- you going to like the other persons dog getting every bird- how good a dog are you going to have on the 3rd day hunting with that person and dog"
http://www.ultimatepheasanthunting.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8124&page=14
Your still missing the point though aren't you. Ive told you, everyone's told you that just because you train with an e-collar doesn't mean the dog needs and e-collar in the field. I have absolutely no problem turning my dog lose without and e-collar, it happens all the time. She's 100% broke, and she handles very, very well. With, or without an e-collar! What I won't do, is send her into the field with a bunch of dogs that don't have manners, and release themselves when a bird is killed. You said it yourself in the above post that your dogs aren't all broke, and that means they don't all have manners, especially when a bird is killed and falls. Heck, for that matter you even state that a couple unbroke dogs can unravel a broke dog! So you are agreeing with me!
But, Im absolutely 100% game to see it. My dog goes up against the best brits in the country on a constant basis, and it costs me A LOT of money! She win's some, and she loses some. Ill give you a list of trials my dog will be running in, and you can pick any of them to show up to. Heck, Ill even put her in a walking trial if you don't have a horse. That way things will be perfectly fair, and you will be able to tell you how you can't foot hunt a horseback trial dog. You can then show me how broke your dogs (dog) are, and Ill show you how bad my dog handles without an e-collar. Trials were setup to see who the best dog is for breeding purposes, so put your money where your mouth is. Because I do it with my dog several times a week, against the best brittany's in the country. As a matter of fact, she will be doing it again either this afternoon or tomorrow. Then again this comming week against the best All Age Brits in the country!... Pick a trial any trial!!
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Tell you what. Ive got a better idea. Instead of having some back woods comparison without real judges and a real way to tell who's dogs are better. Why not enter your dog (dogs) in the American Brittany Club Pheasant Championship being held this week in Iowa. They don't use e-collars (something you keep specifying), and its held on wild, and released pheasants. You can then prove to everyone how bad AKC AA dogs are at handling pheasants, and how much better your dogs are at it. But just so you know, most of the dogs your going to run against spend every summer in the Dakota's, Montana, Nebraska, and even Kansas training on wild chickens, sharptail, and pheasants. Lots and lots and lots of wild pheasants. It should be easy for you to win since your dogs handle so well and are such great pheasant dogs. Besides AKC AA dogs aren't very good at pheasants anyways right! Its going to be an easy 5 points for your dogs FC
...... Or do you forget that Im on this website because I foot hunt my dog on wild pheasants, and she trains every summer on wild pheasants in SD.. Don't forget, your the one who started all of this with this post..."that's interesting- I do not allow my Britt's to track- I will pull them off a track every time I see it- I'll go head to head with your tracker- mine are out there 200-500 yards and freeze a pheasant- yours will back at 20- 200' right"
http://www.ultimatepheasanthunting.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8124&page=5
You wanna go head to head.. There's a venue for that.. And its called trials. Sign em up!
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