Dew Claws.........Interesting

hunter94

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found this article, kind of interesting and probably a bit controversial.




Do the Dew(claws)?
M. Christine Zink DVM, PhD, DACVSMR
I work exclusively with canine athletes, developing rehabilitation programs for injured dogs or dogs that required
surgery as a result of performance-related injuries. I have seen many dogs now, especially field trial/hunt test and
agility dogs, that have had chronic carpal arthritis, frequently so severe that they have to be retired or at least
carefully managed for the rest of their careers. Of the over 30 dogs I have seen with carpal arthritis, only one has
had dewclaws.
If you look at an anatomy book (Miller's Guide to the Anatomy of Dogs is an excellent one – see Figure 1 below)
you will see that there are 2 major, functioning tendons attached to the dewclaw. Of course, at the other end of a
tendon is a muscle, and that means that if you cut off the dew claws, there are major muscle bundles that will
become atrophied from disuse.
Those muscles indicate that the dewclaws have a function. That function is to prevent torque on the leg. Each
time the foot lands on the ground, particularly when the dog is cantering or galloping (see Figure 2), the dewclaw
is in touch with the ground. If the dog then needs to turn, the dewclaw digs into the ground to support the lower
leg and prevent torque. If the dog doesn't have a dewclaw, the leg twists. A lifetime of that and the result can be
carpal arthritis, or perhaps injuries to other joints, such as the elbow, shoulder and toes. Remember: the dog is
doing the activity regardless, and the pressures on the leg have to go somewhere.
Perhaps you are thinking, "None of my dogs have ever had carpal pain or arthritis." Well, we need to remember
that dogs, by their very nature, do not tell us about mild to moderate pain. If a dog was to be asked by an
emergency room nurse to give the level of his pain on a scale from 0 o 10, with 10 being the worst, their scale
would be 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Most of our dogs, especially if they deal with pain that is of gradual onset, just
deal with it and don't complain unless it is excruciating. But when I palpate the carpal joints of older dogs without
dewclaws, I frequently can elicit pain with relatively minimal manipulation.
As to the possibility of injuries to dew claws. Most veterinarians will say that such injuries actually are not very
common at all. And if they do occur, then they are dealt with like any other injury. In my opinion, it is far better to
deal with an injury than to cut the dew claws off of all dogs "just in case."
 
Most of the dew claws I see are way to high on the leg to be used for grip or turning when they are running. All I see them do is catch in heavy grass and weeds and tear the claw away from the leg. I do agree if they are in the wild that they are useful for pulling down game and holding on, but for the most part my dogs do not need them. Not sure about the muscles and tendons issue. I would have to see the science behind that and where they actually attach or detach because of being removed.
 
I was working a dog for a guy that had it’s dew claws. I took it out in the grouse woods a few times, and it ripped loose one of its dew claws. I don’t see any good happening if the dog hunts in the woods.
 
That article cited above is a perfect example of "Fake News". There is no upside to leaving dewclaws attached for bird dogs.

The AKC requires they remain for show dogs.
 
while i think it is still controversial, you are at least short a DVM degree and a PhD. making that statement! LOL
 
I recall hunting with "Natty" several years ago...I believe he is a retired DVM, and certainly entitled to make a comment. Perhaps your comment is "fake news?"
 
I have seen this topic brought up on a couple other boards, and it’s always the same. There isn’t enough evidence to sway anyone one way or another. The only advantage it may have is to help a dog get out of a pond if it breaks through the ice.
 
I want the dew claws left on my dogs.

in 45 years of running bird dogs I’ve not had a single problem and anyone that’s ever watched a dog climb something will realize dogs do use them

also rough house play with a dog with dew claws and you will be quickly and painfully aware they use them to grab with

and they do help a dog climb out on ice which can be a life saver
 
nope, just another school of thought.........i don't care if the guy is a retired vet or not, i figured someone would attack the article because it is controversial.......just because he is right in his own mind, does not mean the research is wrong..... a lot of "old dawgs" out there who hold on to their opinions, despite new findings......i think they are referred to as dinosaurs.
 
I have had numerous dogs without dew claws retrieve birds where they have had to run across ice and leap into open water swim to retrieve a bird and climb back out onto the ice while holding the bird in their mouth. Just last year I had another dog fall into a hole in the ice and was able to climb out. This was deep water where they could not touch bottom. I am sure that a dew claw might help them get out sooner but I have never seen a situation where my dog was stuck and I had to go in. If this is the only reason to keep dew claws it seems to be insignificant for my purposes. I still would like to know how removing them somehow destroys tendons or muscle structure? That one might be a game changer for me. But I don't see how snipping a nail can do that? I watch the vet do it all the time and have never had a situation with infection either.
 
funny how someone can watch video proof and not believe their own eyes

one of the guys on upland journal had to go through the horror of losing his dog thru the ice in Kansas
He won’t ever get over that
 
I have kept the dew claws on my retriever and never had an issue waterfowl or upland hunting. They do serve a purpose and I think can help in very heavy water debris, ice or thick upland cover.

With that said, I think a much bigger problem is most gun dog owners do not trim their dogs nails period. Search the internet on that one and you will find loads of info. I suggest starting trimming your puppies nails early on so they get use to it. Once they are older it is not a big deal.
 
I've seen this topic on other hunting and dog forums. It sure does stir some lively debate. I really don't think there is a right or wrong answer. You have to do what you feel is best for your dog. As several posts on here indicate, those that have left dew claws attached have not experienced any real problems other than an occasional tear. On the other side, those that have had the dew claws removed also have not experienced any issues. I personally have had bird dogs for over 40 years (Springers, Labs and Brittanys). Every dog I've owned has had the dew claws removed and I have never seen any adverse issues. I guess the bottom line is that you have to do what you feel is in the best interest of your dog. But don't slam the guy who takes the opposite view.
 
I don't think there is a right answer here. My breeder left the dew claws on as he says it is part of the breed standard. My trainer, who breeds LMs, freaked when she saw that my pup still had her dew claws and actually recommended having them removed when we had Greta spayed, while I like my trainer, we decided against taking her advice on that one.
 
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