big groups- you question when they cross a field

Shadow

Banned
watched a big group- seen them before- dropped off hunters and drove to the end of the field- saw some pheasants fly ahead of them- they reach the vehicles- vehicles drive down a mile- group starts out across the field- get close to the end- vehicles drive to the next mile- hunters start out into the field- it's now 3 min till the end of legal shooting time-

they are out in the middle of a 1/2 mile field-

hum- poachers- where the heck is the law

guys are walking and getting close to the end of the field-
surprising- they've crossed two roads- all posted land
dark blue crew cab turns and drives down to meet them

big group like a meeting- next- the Sheriff's dark blue crew cab turns down that road- flashlights are twinkling- total time from when the group reached their vehicles till when they left- 1.5 hours

hunting past legal shooting hours, hunting on posted property, some beer drinking as could be seen-

farmers are getting pissed
 
And people wonder why it's so difficult to get permission to hunt with a group. Perfect example right there.

If the governing bodies of KDWP weren't so bent on generating revenue to please their superiors, they'd hire more conservation officers, instead of leasing more property.

I for one, am starting to believe that Sheriff's deputies should be assigned the role of conservation officer as well. Corporate America is requiring that employees perform multiple job duties for the same pay - the government sector shouldn't be exempt from this new "standard".
 
I know the past two years where big groups have come in and started walking the same field that my group is already in. It's not safe and is really frustrating.

I saw more sheriff's out this year checking licenses than the wardens. Sometimes the walk-in just isn't worth it.
 
out here- you better belive the police have the means to get the bad guys-

you have a hen pheasant, or you are on property you don't have permission-
one simple call- it's happening- locals are getting sick of treaspassers- and raod hunters

be carefull- this thing about having a slip of paper on posted land where it says written permission only is becoming an issue

folks are complaining- the local law is listening

you are hunting- the sherrif or his deputy pulls up- be carefull
 
I have been fortunate enough to never have others start hunting the same field and as far as the sheriffs go around this county they are just as busy as the warden and they usually have no problem in checking things out if it looks fishy they do a great job around here
 
It always seems to be the big groups from Texas that join in. Not too fond of Texas groups because of it.
 
I've had words before with more than one group that tried to "rationalize" hunting the same property I was. My rebuttal "get here earlier than I did, and we wouldn't have this argument".

I was out deer hunting today at Perry Lake, because my usual spot has been bust this year (I could rant about the land to the West that is now WIHA, but I'll bite my tongue). I took a cat nap around 11:30 on the dead end road my truck was parked on. The game warden came by, and woke me up by tapping on my window. I thanked him for coming by and checking on me, and offered up my license, and carcass tag before he could ask.

I digress... KDWP has printable permission slips on their website. Handwritten permission slips takes all of two minutes. There is no excuse to hunt on posted property without, period.
 
It always seems to be the big groups from Texas that join in. Not too fond of Texas groups because of it.

Gotta love those Texans. My grandparents retired to "The Valley" (deep South Texas). Now every time they have a "senior moment", I tell them they shouldn't have moved to Texas, and they wouldn't have lost their mind :D
 
That original post gets the blood going. We had very similar problems during the first shotgun season in Iowa.

I like the idea of having sheriffs enforcing the game laws, but they'd definitely need to be educated on the laws first. When I was in high school, prior to having a driver's license, my mom dropped me off at some timber that I had permission to bow hunt in. At dusk I came out of the woods and was waiting for my mom to come pick me up. A sheriff pulled up and started asking me all sorts of questions (uhh, I'm standing here in camouflage holding a bow...what do you think I was doing?). He then proceeded to check my licenses. Funny part was, he didn't know what licenses I need in order to bow hunt, so I had to explain to him what each license was (bow license, small game, habitat). Seriously, if you're going to hassle me, at least have a clue what you're talking about!

I might have run into a dumb one, but I sure felt like this guy should have passed me by and left me for the game wardens! I suppose I should be thankful that he was willing to check my licenses. If they had a way to educate them on the hunting laws, I'd be all for putting them to work enforcing them during the first couple weeks of every season, as that's when it seems most of the big groups get out hunting.
 
it's so flat you can see for miles- most times they hit a field- quickly get thru it- go hit another- landowners have been to busy to check- most work a full time job- but word is getting arround- others are starting to stop and ask-

the days of these nuts getting out and shooting and groups just heading into a field could be coming to an end- why- because some will pull up and ask if they have permission- and they'll tell one one get

sheriff's department says to call them- if you give your name and where you live they really are prepared to act

was nice to see- every other time groups are in a hurry to get going-

these creeps get questioned maybe they'll think before they just do what they want- or move to a different area- authorities say- we usually get them on something

the other day a farmer stopped in- "you see anyone out there you call the sheriff" --yes sir

could be much better for all the responsible hunters in a year or so- don't ya think
 
Shadow, did you hear what trouble if any they got in? What would possess a group to hunt ground they dont have permission? I mean really, are they that bold in to think that they can hunt whatever ground they want? Does anyone know the fines that come with trespassing?
 
i suspect there is some exaggeration going on here......i spend a lot of days afield and i seldom see big groups and i sure haven't seen any speed across ground and jump in and drive another field down the road......not saying it doesn't happen, but i suspect it is rare at best....i just don't see it nor do any of my close hunting friends....anyone besides "the shadow" witnessed this behavior by such groups this season? and did you confront them or are you sure they did not have permission??....not buying into this being an epidemic! :eek:
 
Shadow, did you hear what trouble if any they got in? What would possess a group to hunt ground they dont have permission? I mean really, are they that bold in to think that they can hunt whatever ground they want? Does anyone know the fines that come with trespassing?

KS trespassing.....

WHETHER POSTED OR NOT, PRIVATE LAND REQUIRES PERMISSION TO HUNT

Trespassers face stiff penalties, damage landowner-hunter relations
PRATT — With the firearm deer season in full swing as of Dec. 1 — and other seasons ongoing — the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks (KDWP) reminds all hunters that it is illegal to hunt on private land, posted or not, without the owner's permission. Whether someone actually enters private land without permission or shoots onto it from the road or another landowner's property without permission, it is illegal.

Geese pouring into corn stubble or deer standing in an open field can be temptations to break the law, especially when hunters are driving country roads. Such temptations should be resisted; not only is trespassing illegal, but hunting from public roads requires permission of landowner adjoining the side of the road being hunted, the center of the road defining who must grant permission. Railroad rights-of-way require permission from the railroad. In addition, written permission is required to enter land posted with hunting and/or trapping "By Written Permission Only" signs or bordered by trees or fence posts painted purple.

In any situation, shooting from a vehicle is illegal unless legally hunting with a disability permit on land where permission has been granted. Shooting from a road is also extremely dangerous, threatening landowners, other hunters, livestock, and equipment.

According to KDWP’s Law Enforcement Division, Kansas convicted 210 poachers for trespassing-related violations in 2009. "This problem drives a wedge between all hunters and landowners, often making it difficult for hunters who once easily obtained permission and have not broken the law," said Mark Rankin, Law Enforcement Division assistant director.

Whether trespassing is accidental or intentional, it damages the hunting heritage. Because trespassing harms landowner-hunter relations — and because the penalties for trespassing can be severe — hunters should be aware of the following trespass issues:

* landowner permission should be obtained before pursuing wounded game onto private property. If the landowner cannot be found, contact a local natural resource officer or sheriff's office;
* hunting from roads or railways without legal permission is a form of trespassing called criminal hunting;
* conviction of trespass or criminal hunting may prevent the convicted person from enjoying hunting privileges in other states. The Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks is a member of the Wildlife Violator Compact, to which 34 other states currently belong. Under this compact, anyone who has had hunting, fishing, or furharvesting privileges revoked or suspended in a member state cannot hunt, trap, or fish in other member states;
* conviction of simple criminal hunting can result in a maximum fine of $500, plus court costs, and one month in jail on the first conviction. Additionally, the court can suspend or revoke license privileges for up to a year. A second conviction requires at least a one-year suspension of privileges in addition to any fines or jail time;
* if big game or turkey hunting is involved, the penalties get stiffer. Upon first conviction, the law states that the violator "shall not be fined less than $500 nor more than $1,000 or be imprisoned in the county jail for not more than six months, or both." The law requires fifth and subsequent conviction penalties of a minimum $1,000 fine and minimum 90 days in jail;
* criminal trespassing is when the violator does not leave property when told;
* it is illegal to hunt on land requiring written permission without having written permission on one's person;
* in any of these cases, hunting privileges may also be revoked; and
* by law, all hunters must have permission whether the land is posted or not.

Hunters can address this problem by always asking for permission courteously and accepting denial in the same manner. Hunters can also help by reporting trespassers. Take down the license tag number and all other details of the violation before phoning a local natural resource officer, sheriff's office, or KDWP's Operation Game Thief toll-free hotline, 1-877-426-3843. (Do not confront the violator.) A list of phone numbers for all natural resource officers, listed by counties they cover, can be found in the 2010 Kansas Hunting & Furharvesting Regulations Summary available wherever licenses are sold, or online at www.kdwp.state.ks.us.

And you know what "I" have seen??.. The 'locals' are the biggest violators.Twice this season trespassers were caught hunting the "private" lease. Posted Hunting by WRITTEN permission only both times, it was locals.. "I've always hunted this".. or "We just saw some birds fly in here, and well....."
As a non-resident, I take exception to the lumping of non-ethical and/or illegal hunting practices on us.
I've also seen resident plated vehicles driving through wiha areas, I've hunted with locals that harvest birds with what they call "run 'n gun".. driving the roads spotting and shooting anywhere they see them..
 
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Wow. Whats up with the bitching in the forum lately. Those guys are idiots. I get it. Dont think all that stuff needs to be posted on the web.
 
I can 'sympathize' I reckon.. I'm from CO. and have entertained similar sentiments when I pulled into my favorite elk or deer "hunny hole" and saw 3-5 KS, OK, or TX plated trucks parked.
I think it's an "instinctual emotion" to protect what you consider 'yours'..
no hard feelings KS.
THANKS for the great hunting :thumbsup:
 
Perhaps it's time to consider a "neighborhood watch" type program. It could be a deterrent.

it is so-

this group hit a posted section of milo- then a posted section of grass- then ended in a posted section of grass- the last which they have permission to hunt- guided hunt- guess it's an outfitter here- what's funny- pay to hunt- and the word is they are putting pheasants out- sending one of theirs out to drop off roosters

the 5 vehicles are known- same ones that were on property they didn't have written permission last year- but said they did- they are not on some sections this year- but they croosed the line- they jumped on a piece- went right onto the next because birds got up ahead of them and flew there- late in the day- they figured to end on the section they always hunt- bet is they have some power- maybe are thinking a bit now

and today- someone drove out early- then two hours later- here came the same 5 vehicles- but they hunted the big grass they've always hunted-

Sheriff has been cruising-

I like seeing folks post pictures of their hunt arround here with their vehicles in the picture-
 
I don't doubt that there are some out of state people who for what ever reason feel they can do whatever they want, and because they are out of town and somewhat anymous. they will get away with it. We will call that the " What happens in Vegas syndrome". But the local townys are a problem as well, I bought an 80@ tract several years ago, had a real nice pond on it, hardly ever came home from work in decent weather for the first two years I owned it without finding anywhere from 2 to a party of fishermen enjoying without permission. We can call that the " I was here first syndrome", or "Whats mine is mine and what's yours is mine too!" Entitled locals are the worst, your cow gets out, it ends up at the sale barn, with a fine, but they can poach your ground anytime.
 
what about those landowners/farmers who post their ground and hunt everyone elses ground thats alot of bs if you ask me
 
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