A map showing the federally owned property that MAY go up for sale

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For your information, what the eventual outcome will be is anyone’s guess.

Any ground on this map you are familiar with ?

www.wilderness.org

Congress is making more than 250 million acres of public lands available for sale.

The Senate reconciliation package is a disturbing giveaway that will mandate the “disposal” of public lands across the western United States.
www.wilderness.org www.wilderness.org

The map is showing 250 million acres, the sale is estimated to be between 2-3 million, so about 1% of what is on this map.

Seems kinda like a “sky is falling” article.
 
None of the states listed affect me but I do not agree with this at all. It creates a slippery slope. That land should remain open to public recreation, not sold off to private developers.

If you have a senator in any of these states, I would advise you get on the horn and make your opinion known.
 
gim said:
None of the states listed affect me but I do not agree with this at all. It creates a slippery slope. That land should remain open to public recreation, not sold off to private developers.

If you have a senator in any of these states, I would advise you get on the horn and make your opinion known.
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All senators vote, contact yours even if you aren’t from one of these states. It’s everyone’s land.
 
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Remember, these are the places that qualify to be sold, not will be sold. Only about 1% of the land that qualifies would be sold.

But still, every acre counts, and once things get going will they go back to the trough ?
 
There is no amount of money that, once given to Congress, will be immediately spent. It's 100% certainty that it would not be used to pay down the debt.

Without a Balanced Budget amendment to the Constitution, Congress will spend every cent they can grab from us and then go on to spend even more, increasing both the deficit and the national debt.

Just say "no".
 
This is an incredibly bad idea and it seems like Mike Lee tries something like this almost every year. If you've ever hunted out west, chances are you've hunted on land that would be sold off. Even if you haven't, as Gim said, it's a slippery slope and I'm sure they'll start trying this in other states. This article here does a good job of explaining what's at stake.
 
Texas has little federally owned land…only that which the state gave them so non event here. I have availed myself of other western states federally owned lands and it would be tragic to see some of it privatized.
On the other hand, there are millions of acres of marginal land ( not good for much) that haven’t had a human traverse it in a long time.
This type of land (little to no public use and 0 ag value) availability could soften up the real estate market for those seeking to purchase solitude.
One thing is reasonably certain and that is some western politicians will likely carve out the choicest bits for themselves and thier cronies. This is why it’s not a good idea in my opinion.
The Texas model (mostly private land) runs the gamut from costly to absurdly expensive for hunting rights, and time has fractured large holdings into smaller and smaller tracts and will continue to do so. I envy the western hunter with access to large public access tracts in close proximity to their homestead. I speak from experience when I say this. If you have the health and fortitude there are places where an individual can find and use vast amounts of public land for hunting and have nobody else in their zip code to compete with. Ive also observed those tracts get saturated with knuckle heads after a TV or YouTube personality broadcast a successful elk hunt or something and ruins the space for a decade to come. Tragedy of the commons stuff.
I have marveled at the state of Montana having little to no say in what happens in Montana about the public land there due so much federally owned or controlled real estate.
It’s quite the conundrum and there are no answers that satisfy all involved, but one thing is certain, a dude that never has and never will utilize ANY of the subject real estate for any purpose should sit down and shut the hell up 😀
 
Seems the latest idea is to restrict the sales to within 5 miles of any municipality. However, the roadless rule is being lifted, which I guess is another can of worms, I’m not familiar enough with it.
 
There's still time to lobby against it. It has not passed yet and the framework of it is still being developed.
 
Seems to be dead for now :

“Accordingly, Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough has in recent days been stripping certain extraneous provisions from the plan.

Among the dirt washed away in this so-called “Byrd bath” was a provision authored by Lee that would have put for sale up to 3.3 million acres of public land in 11 Western states, including Lee’s state of Utah. The plan received criticism from lawmakers on both sides of the aisle and from hunters, fishers, and conservation groups concerned that it would impact treasured natural sites in the American West.”

Source : https://newrepublic.com/post/197167/republicans-remove-sale-public-lands-budget-bill
 
Backcountry hunters and anglers has a flood the lines event starting at 9 tomorrow. Can't stop voicing your polite opinion until there is no language coming after our lands. Don't let the government open this door because it will never close. Just because your state isn't listed this time it will not be long before they then come for your favorite WPA if this passes. Tell Mike Lee it's a firm no to selling our lands.
 
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