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Went to Kansas hunting for 5 days(NOT SAYING WHERE FOR REASON) - told more birds than last year which wAS hard FOR me to believe after last year. Talked with many people and said that walk in was just pounded. Could it be that the world reads this blog and decided to go hunting in Kansas? Heard there was so many people and dogs it was just crazy. Maybe Kansas should reduce limit to 3 to leave some birds to be hunted in November. ( WE DID GET BIRDS AND SAW BIRDS) but ran into people at hotel that left after 1 and 2 days. They only got 1 or 2 birds and saw few. A few are ruining it for the rest, don't understand why people would put in detail where they hunt when it takes them so hard to find those spots. Yes it is nice for Kansas to have the dollars from hunters this year but next year what will happen with all the $'s lost from unhappy people this year. The greatest part of hunting is the "HUNTING" for the birds and watching your dogs. Why would everyone on this blog share where they go and ruin it for themselves later? Not unhappy with Kansas just unhappy with how people call them selves hunters who spend 1 hour in field with 100 other peopleand
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forget the walk in for the first 3-4 weeks of the season, it does get hammered. you have to spend time and knock on doors and get permission on private ground, otherwise you are wasting your time on walk in ground, at least until Dec. when it turns cold and snowy, then the birds will go back to a lot of the walk in cover
 
that was not what the post was about since you just told everyone what to do. If they want to be hunters they need to figure it out on their own and not hand hold. What don't people understand about keeping things to themselves
 
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that was not what the post was about since you just told everyone what to do. If they want to be hunters they need to figure it out on their own and not hand hold. What don't people understand about keeping things to themselves
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True story... I've blown up about this a few times recently, but your not going to get it through to most here. People laughed at the idea that people would come here to "internet scout" ..... :mad:


http://www.ultimatepheasanthunting.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5606
 
USA,

I couldn't agree with you more. Last year there was a thread on this board regarding this subject. Those who would agree with you (and me) were flamed. Internet scouting, hunting reports, and "experts" used to really get under my skin.

I've finally come to accept the fact that it simply isn't going to stop. My guess is that many here will miss your point and quickly point out that they have a right to say whatever they want about the spots or areas they hunt....and they do have that right. Just as a group of 30 has the right to work any WIHA property. What most don't realize, or want to realize, is that just because they have the right to do these things doesn't make it acceptable to many people.

It's strange how anytime somebody starts stating the facts, somebody pops up talking about how many birds they shot in a short period of time.....as if that proves anything. Those are usually the same folks that say they just "enjoy being out there". If they "just enjoy being out there", then they'd be hunting in their own locality.

I've been hunting KS for as long as I can remember and I'll say it....I wanna see birds. I don't always need to shoot 'em, and they don't need to hold....but I wanna see wild birds. If I don't get them, that's my problem. Many times I take only my digital camera to the field.

I'm fortunate, while I may hit a WIHA on occasion, I hunt private land almost exclusively. Even so, I get very tired of the commercialization of upland hunting.

The best advice I can give is to learn to live with it. It's going to continue. Like you, I simply cannot figure out why anybody would give out the information of which you speak.

I visit the board very regularly but rarely post. Usually I just grin, shake my head, and wonder how some of these people know which end of the gun to put against their shoulder.

Let the flaming begin!

Point!
 
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True story... I've blown up about this a few times recently, but your not going to get it through to most here. People laughed at the idea that people would come here to "internet scout" ..... :mad:
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I'll admit I was one that really didn't believe internet scouting would have such an impact. I KNOW where there are good #'s of birds in several different parts of the state, but I'll still be trying to find them in places I haven't been yet this season. That's the fun of hunting to me. My ideal 90 day season would be spent hunting 90 different counties in KS. I can't imagine simply taking someone's advice/information they've posted and heading to that spot to spend 5 days.....I was short-sighted not to have thought that there are people out there that would, I'll admit that. Confirming for someone else that there are good bird #'s in an area didn't seem like a big deal.....until now. It has become apparent to me that unless everyone posts of their success, so as to show that visitors could come to one of 50-70 counties in KS and do well, folks wouldn't know anymore about where to start than they would by looking at the WIHA map and reading the upland forecast. I can't help but think I was sadly mistaken now.

The only reason I actually believe that internet scouting is playing a role is b/c of the # of Texans and Okies hunting up by Hays. Why on earth would they drive that much further to hunt Hays when there are birds just across the state line (most of the way across the southern tier of counties)? B/c guys like me were naive and posted about success in that area or areas around there. When I ask for help, I'm just looking for pointers b/c I'm new to something, not b/c I want to be spoon fed information. I always send pms to folks asking where they've had success. NOT ONE TIME have I went out to that place the next w/e. My location plans are typically set before season and reports on forums aren't going to change my plans. KDWP suggested bird #'s were down in NC KS, but I'm going there anyway. Ppl have said that they did poorly in the area I'm heading, but I'm going there anyway. If I came back and reported success up there, you could be considered a fool for going there and expecting success w/o putting in the work for a couple of years to find where the birds are in that area. My guess is after trying to come behind me in that area this season, you'd not return unless KDWP said it would be good in a given year. I was skunked up there many times before I finally found the birds.....all the internet scouting in the world wouldn't have done me any good.

Ultimately, I don't know what the long term effects of ppl sharing locations on forums like this are going to be. I would imagine that there are plenty of ppl that learned their lesson about concentrating on one area just b/c of something they read on the internet.....they went home w/ no birds and either A. won't return to KS or B. will try a different area next time.

I can tell you that the Hays are is NOT the only area experiencing increased pressure. I think the increased hunter #'s were present in every area that the upland report suggested #'s were good and there is plenty of available WIHA acreage. Don't forget that we're absorbing some of the hunters that used to go to Iowa and Nebraska. Someone else brought up a good point on the thread Spence referenced about how quite a few ppl used to hunt the E side of KS for the opener b/c they were more interested in quail. I know my family did it that way until the quail dwindled down to what they are these days. NR's would come to our E KS public land by the hoards for quail and a shot or 2 at a pheasant, but now they're all doing their hunts out W. All those factors play a role.

Not arguing w/ you guys either way. Just stating that internet scouting may not be the only reason we're seeing more hunters in KS. I also think there is no reason to flame those who are willing to help......those willing to help aren't violating any current rules of the forum and not everyone is worried about the areas they've hunted b/c they're not coming back for a year. We can also positively encourage forum members to send specific info in pm's (as many of you already do).
 
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I hear ya. I think internet scouting is pretty bad now. Cant blame people driving 12+ hours from their home state to come here and hunt and wanting to have their homework done ahead of time. Guess Im spoiled since I live here.

However if I went to a state such as Montana, Wyoming, or SD to big game hunt or I guess if I wanted to start my season earlier and bird hunt a general part of the state is all Id be asking for. For the most part calling the wildlife biologists and looking at the Wildlife and Parks website will get you that general information.

A lot of people get pretty specific on here. If they are going to get that specific they should keep it to PM's, at least thats my opinion. By giving everything away you're ruining it not only for everyone else, but for yourself.

A lot of times I'll say I went west, well that could be from Oklahoma to Nebraska, west of pratt, so no one knows where I go. ;)

I'll mention these two places as an example only because they've been beaten and talked about to death. 3 Years ago the papers, magazines, wildlife and parks (which i think lends credence to the crook running the KDWP having no credibility argument) and discussion boards kept shouting to the heavens that around Smith Center/or some other small towns west of Salina were absolute bird heaven (it wasnt!) ....well thats the area where myself and my buddy's family go for opening day usually as they have some family ground up there and we would hunt wihas as well....Well God forbid if the whole entire population of Kansas City, Topeka, Texas, Oklahoma, and Missouri didnt show up there opening weekend. It was all I could do to keep from wanting to drink a 30 pack to want to calm my nerves that weekend.


Its funny, I still see the name smith center brought up on here and another forum i frequent a lot. Youd think people would let it go.

You'll notice the bastard ahead of the KDWP doesnt give a rosey trophy deer outlook for the area of the state his family has a deer outfitting business....go figure on that :confused: Thank God his family's business is not in mulie country or he'd be having every non resident from here to Alaska paying top dollar to kill all the trophy mulies.


Well I'll tell ya what, I saw 1000 pheasants flush out of a WIHA in Sedgwick county, plus I kicked out a 30 point white tail buck and a 7x7 200 class mulie that stood there and looked at me. Killed twice my limit and called it a day, went and grabbed my deer rifle and shot me 2 state record deer. Let them tell me the WIHA doesnt get pounded. Internet scout that ... ha :D
 
we drive 12+ hrs - to be honest I don't believe everything I even read on here as far as good locations. :)
 
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we drive 12+ hrs - to be honest I don't believe everything I even read on here as far as good locations. :)
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That's another sign of intelligence! I can do well in an area one day then turn around and find nothing the next. Using the posts of others to help improve the chances of getting into birds sounds like a good idea, but is hardly effective.
 
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that was not what the post was about since you just told everyone what to do. If they want to be hunters they need to figure it out on their own and not hand hold. What don't people understand about keeping things to themselves
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wow, a little paranoid here aren't we?? listen pal, this place is for sharing information, if that is your secret i got news for you, a lot of people other than me know what happens to wiha every year. no harm in giving the guy a hand, i bet no one helped you when you were a novice either??....well, with your attitude you probably didn't get any help....grow up, get back on your meds. :D
no one told him where to hunt, just the conditions that occur every year.
 
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no - we got out Kansas DNR book and drove alot looking at land and knocking on doors. People that just want to spend 2 hrs walking around blasting birds and than are done are not hunters. It is called self initiative. Have you ever done anything on your own - you appreciate it better. Many locals were not happy with the number of people all at once - it overwhelmed them. This is what is going to ruin it for everyone - but that is normally what happens in this gotta have it now society.
 
usa- Kansas started the WIHA program and it's grown because Kansas wanted to draw hunters from within the state to outside the state-

meaning- make access easy and people will come- spend money- help the economy- and encourage folks to hunt- hunters bring in a huge amount of money- good for the state- good for the small towns-

you might even look at it as- someone gets on the web describing an area, freindly people, good places to stay, good places to eat- might even have a business or freinds and relatives who do- might even be sweetening it up a bit by fibbing a bit

but you need to remember one thing- pheasants are said to be scattered all over the western part of the state- some areas have a reported better concentration- if folks are going to go to those areas they should assume many others are also- but then again- just because an area is pounded- doesn't mean there aren't any birds left- pheasants are notorious for moving arround quite a bit- sometimes just enough to get away from pressured areas-

I've seen big groups repeatedly pound an area- even gone out behind a few- surprise- some birds

I've seen groups discouraged and say they weren't ever coming back- I just smile- can't say the same about a single person and dog-

then we have those who read, post to get specifics, expect results- then start whinning because they aren't seeing the birds they expect- can't brag that they got their limit with no trouble- don't like hard hunting- want it easy- want to party and brag- they come and go- so what if they complain

heck- I could state some specific areas that are real good- a guy and a dog could easily limit out in an hour or two- if I posted that I'd hope everyone would go there- quite clever don't ya think
 
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heck- I could state some specific areas that are real good- a guy and a dog could easily limit out in an hour or two- if I posted that I'd hope everyone would go there- quite clever don't ya think
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HAHAHA, good idea shadow - DECOY posts - "They went that away!!!" - Don't think it doesn't happen... :p :D :10sign:

That's what I'll be doing more of from here on out, at least in part - or mum is the word. I shared a couple specific spots by PM & they somehow turned into public cackling/crowing-fest threads on this forum. I really try to do a good deed for a newcomer once in awhile, but guess I forgot about ALL the times in my life I or others have told a "friend" (and begged him not to) - but he told or took a friend, who told a friend, who took a friend, friend, friend, friend & be4 too long it left EVERYBODY wondering what on earth ever happened to such a good thing...I am amazed at how many people seem to think that ONE piece of property can continue cranking out an endless supply of game under non-stop intense pressure - you would think our modern-day "highly-advanced/educated" species would have learned a thing or two by now over the market hunters of old!!! :eek: :mad:
 
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seems to me that everyone is here to either give or get....
If the OP says he's not saying anything about where to hunt..then he must be trolling around seeing whats going on where....

If nobody on this site gave advice or helpful hints would it even exist?

Lighten up Francis..
 
@UplandHntr - OK, OK, it's a FINE-LINE/TOUGH-CALL on what to share & not to share on here..."Advice", "helpful hints", general areas & much more all no problem whatsoever to me - but getting too specific with actual hunting areas is another story, which in my mind is probably best done primarily by PM (& not subsequently divulged by the lucky recipient)!!!

Example: "Around Dodge City", "Up By Wakeeny" in KS or "Outside of Holyoke", "South of Yuma", whatever in CO nearer to where I live - ALL FINE & DANDY...But "10 miles north of Dodge City on Hwy 36 & 2 miles west on CR 1019, in the red switchgrass next to farmer Joe's green two-story house with #412 on the mailbox - we have killed our limit blindfolded with baseball bats every time out there this year" might not be such a good idea on a public forum if a man doesn't want to see a whole lot more company & maybe even lose a good spot or two due to the sudden influx. :eek:

Word has always traveled fast enough thru the hunter-grapevine even by word-of-mouth - but broad/instant internet communication with tons of lurkers is now capable of inadvertently setting a hunter-grapevine wildfire without some people even knowing/realizing what has happened...

I too have done my fair share of internet pre-scouting over the years for all sorts of game, zeroing in on likely spots be4 burning up the gas & boot leather. In addition to state wildlife division & hunting websites, perusing for hours over maps & stats/data, personal phone calls made to appointed bird biologists over entire states or species + game wardens/wildlife biologists in specific areas, ect. - this site has been extremely helpful to me in learning where & how to hunt pheasants in particular. :thumbsup: I can't thank many of you enough for your kindness & candidness! I really like the comraderie & gentlemanly helping-hand attitude of this forum, unlike many other hunting forums! :10sign:

I understand very well the problem of common-man Joe Hunter or the newbie or faraway person who doesn't get the luxury of all that much hunting time in the first place, who wants to make it count & needs a little help. I have all the sympathy in the world for that! But we are kidding ourselves to think that on a forum like this there are not also an equal number of less-than-desirable lazy bums looking to freeload/mooch off another man's hard homework & legwork. I think BALANCE is a key word here!!! Unattainable yes, but at least a worthy goal to shoot for!

I wanna see new people & kids continually coming into this sport & having just as good a time as me. I wanna help pass on all the tradition & limited-knowledge that I have gained over a lifetime. I don't want to see folks getting discouraged & giving up for lack of a helping hand. I have no desire whatsoever to hoard everything all to myself or a privileged few...But neither do I want to be USED & TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF by the other kind of individuals who will horn-in with all their buddies and/or give our sport a bad name in their manner of doing so - even by my accident, if I can help it!

Like I said, it's an awful FINE-LINE/TOUGH-CALL of BALANCE (and we don't all draw it in the same place)... :cheers:

BTW, not-to-worry for the remainder of this season - VIRGIN birds still standing around waiting to have their feathers ruffled & picture taken are scarce to non-existent for the rest of Dec & Jan!!! LOL
 
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"10 miles north of Dodge City on Hwy 36 & 2 miles west on CR 1019, in the red switchgrass next to farmer Joe's green two-story house with #412 on the mailbox - we have killed our limit blindfolded with baseball bats every time out there this year"
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I literally laughed out loud on this one! Good thing I wasn't taking a sip of coffee! :D
 
I'll be knocking on the door of Farmer Joe's green 2 story first thing Saturday morning LOL. Good post Rooster. I don't mind helping in generalities either, but not interested in a whole bunch of company in some of my favorite spots.
 
9 miles south of Hays - you'll see the blacktop curves- right in the center of that curve go east 3.5 miles- stop- you'll see a nice WIHA on the right- I limited out two days in a row while vehicles were driving by-

two miles furthur down the road you'll see another WIHA- don't be fooled- there are pheasants galore- you might get mixed up- circle arround and look for that WIHA sign- sometimes the locals will take it down- look on the ground real hard all arround- you might have to walk a 200 yard circle- but you'll find the sign- locals are good about that
 
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