I’m always searching for a warm gloves when the temp is around zero. For $30, these might be my next pair to try.I don't remember which member shared info on the Mountain Made gloves ($30). Hunting sub zero temps in ND in December is challenging. These gloves lived up to the recommendation. Two important things I have found is to a) wear the gloves enroute to your hunting spot. I like about ten minutes prior. This allows the inside to warm up and the fingers to stay toasty. Too often I would hop out of the truck without gloves, get the dogs out, put shells in the gun, mess with phone and/or GoPro and my fingers would start out cold and uphill battle to warm up ensued. The second thing I have found is that my hands will sweat in these when the cardio gets going. Having a second pair and rotate I find to be beneficial. I ordered XL which is what I would normally wear but think the L would fit better. I have little trouble taking an 870 express off safe and getting into the trigger guard. I too hope you find the solution because cold fingers sucks!