1 year old Golden - strange story

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I have two goldens, one that is 6 and one that just turned 1 year old. I've spent a lot of time working with the young one with quail, chukar, and pheasants. About a week ago, I had the young one out on her first hunt by herself (without the experienced 6 year old along). The young one did well, stayed close, listened, and finally as we were headed back to the truck, scented a bird, worked it several minutes and put it up for me. I was elated.

I've since hunted her with the 6 year old several times. When they hunt together, the young one follows the older one very closely often running right into her. I've shot several birds with the two of them together but want the younger one to hunt more on her own. So I took the younger one yesterday by herself. Just a few minutes into the hunt, she puts up a bird, I take one shot and wing it. It coasts a little ways and goes down in some tall weeds. I tell her "Get 'em" and "fetch em up". She runs over by me and jumps up on me. Like she was scared. I set her down and tell her to "find 'em" (all three phrases we practiced with in training) and she jumps on me again.

I walk over to where the bird went down, took a few steps and it flushes again but only flies 6 - 8 feet (busted wing) and lands again in the grass. The pup sees it, I tell her "find em" and she jumps on me again. No interest and wont even try to find the bird.

Frustrated, I take her back to the truck, we drive home and I get the older dog and we go back to the same area (I hate the thought of losing a bird). I let both out of the truck and like normal, the older dog hunts while the young one follows and bumps into her. Older one got on the bird scent and tracked it probably 200 yards to where it went on some other property I didn't have permission to hunt on.

So....what's with my young one? Had confidence a week ago, and none yesterday by herself but seemed fine when with the older dog in the field.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
When I've had a younger dog and an older dog I've found that the younger dog always did better when alone. Less distraction I guess, and no relying on the older one. Why all of a sudden your young dog had no interest in going after a wounded bird is strange. Hopefully it was just a one time thing. Sometimes hard to tell what's going through their mind, especially a young inexperienced dog. I'd just get her back on more birds and hopefully she will work herself out of it. Good luck.
 
I agree with George...lots of bird opportunities and patience. If a rooster raked the dog with spurs, i can understand a reluctance to retrieve, although that usually doesn't deter a strong prey drive.

Good luck and let us know how the dog progresses.

Jon
 
yeah I would think she either got a spur or beak
keep a whole dead pheasant to work her confidence back up

I have two Goldens as well !!
 
Last weekend I was out hunting and Mojo and some coyotes started making some noise (at 8 in the morning) but Mojo basically quit hunting and came up trying to jump up on me. It took a good 30 minutes before he got all of his confidence back and was out hunting at full speed.
My point is simply that there could be so many things messing her up. A second experience might be completely different.

Good Luck
Chuck
 
When it flushed the second time and went a very short distance, why not just run it down when the dog wasn't performing?
 
When a dog cannot find a bird, for whatever reason, I try and help. If you trample the immediate area, the scent can be destroyed or distorted and can affect the dog's ability to make a find. Or the dog runs off on another scent and never finds the cripple.

If you find the bird, make a big fuss over it and show the dog...he'll get the idea quickly. Sometimes I'll throw off a dead bird when the dog isn't watching and have a partner shoot the gun. This can get the dog excited and into the retrieve experience...

Young dogs often use their eyes vs their nose. Using the nose comes with experience and age. Hide a training dummy in the house (with feather's) and tell the dog - dead bird. They love the game and eventually the association of "dead bird."

Good Luck.
 
Guys...thanks for the help and insight. We were back at it this weekend as she was a little better, but I hunted her with my other older experienced dog. She did better, but yes...sure is still a pup. She was hunting "with her eyes" as I saw her looking ahead especially if some grass or something moved.

She also stopped twice to lay down and chew on a stick she came across. A little frustrating, but funny at the same time..she was just being a puppy and having fun. I just have to remind myself that she just turned a year old so I can't expect her to hunt like an experienced dog.
 
The past three dogs I have sent to "puppy school." The purpose of the school is to imprint the dog as well as shoot over him. This is a two- week course and well worth the investment.

The dog learns that birds are fun to chase and retrieve and the gun is no threat. There is no obedience with this course - just birds, mainly pigeons.

My dog started with this course when he was 7 mo.s old. He started hunting at 12 months and has come into his own at 13 months. There is a huge difference between the 12th and 13th month! A very down to business hunter and retriever with no problems retrieving in thick brush, dense corn and slough grass.

The bottom line here: give the dog lots of bird-experiences; I have mine on birds once a week and use the dummy in between. And I've found a preserve near my home where I can walk the dog (without a gun) so he can get into more birds.

It's all about birds...and lots of them!

Jon
 
How about putting a freshly downed bird in the dog's mouth and then walking away from the dog and calling it to come or heel? Let's the dog know the joy of having a bird in mouth and confirms your approval of it.
 
Good idea.

I would use the word "fetch";the dog may drop the bird and simply heel or come!

Just my take on it...
 
Good idea.

I would use the word "fetch";the dog may drop the bird and simply heel or come!

Just my take on it...

Better yet!
 
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