Might be a bismuth shortage.

MNMEAD said:
Just feels like he does anything to sell a product and has lost his way now that his business has faced some strong adversity. Same with the target loads.
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Whichever way the wind blows. I said as much on another forum. You’d havej thought I had told the Pope that Mary worked in a strip club.
 
I mean, I am still a sucker for gear and trying stuff out, so there's a good chance I will try some Boss copper once it is approved as a non-tox. But I've definitely lost the trust I had in them as far as honest assessments go. There was definitely a bit of Gell-Mann from me when I first started using Boss bismuth.

Gell-Mann Amnesia: The Gell-Mann amnesia effect is a cognitive bias describing the tendency of individuals to critically assess media reports in a domain they are knowledgeable about, yet continue to trust reporting in other areas despite recognizing similar potential inaccuracies.
 
Powderhorn Jim said:
I just reloaded 5 lbs of Roto metal bismuth. It is pretty "rough" stuff. If there was a round shot in that 5 lbs I didn't see it. Probably makes a great "spreader" load.
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I spent most of the summer loading/ patterning bismuth and I can tell you it makes very little difference. #4 rotometals and all the #4 BPI products were nearly the same at 40 yards in my load / choke experiments.
 
I'm still hung up on BOSS copper shot not being approved pending USFWS approval of the tester BOSS has or is working on. As I read the USFWS approved non-toxic shot list, pure copper is not approved. This is what is on the USFWS approved list.
Corrosion-inhibited copper≥99.9 copper with benzotriazole and thermoplastic fluorescent powder coatings
Nowhere can I find on the BOSS website that their shot has these coatings. They are only detectable with UV light, which isn't a big deal, but something niggles at me that BOSS is having to develop their own tester and have it approved by USFWS. To me, it isn't worth worrying about. I hunt to enjoy, not look over my shoulder constantly. That said, I am a sucker for new things so I have a 200 BOSS copper shell paper weight until this all gets unwound. There is plenty of Bismuth ammo still on the market and I just found that Winchester is coming out with a new load using TSS18 shot called "Last Call". Spendy at over $4 per round (I shoot 28ga) but even in a good year I don't go through that much ammunition to make cost at that level a deciding factor.

While I'm here, I also wonder why the USFWS approved "copper clad iron" without any corrosion inhibitor? It can be up to 44.1% of the shot mass, so it can be a very think "cladding". Doesn't make sense to this old cowboy.
 
Powderhorn Jim said:
I'm still hung up on BOSS copper shot not being approved pending USFWS approval of the tester BOSS has or is working on. As I read the USFWS approved non-toxic shot list, pure copper is not approved. This is what is on the USFWS approved list.
Corrosion-inhibited copper≥99.9 copper with benzotriazole and thermoplastic fluorescent powder coatings
Nowhere can I find on the BOSS website that their shot has these coatings. They are only detectable with UV light, which isn't a big deal, but something niggles at me that BOSS is having to develop their own tester and have it approved by USFWS. To me, it isn't worth worrying about. I hunt to enjoy, not look over my shoulder constantly. That said, I am a sucker for new things so I have a 200 BOSS copper shell paper weight until this all gets unwound. There is plenty of Bismuth ammo still on the market and I just found that Winchester is coming out with a new load using TSS18 shot called "Last Call". Spendy at over $4 per round (I shoot 28ga) but even in a good year I don't go through that much ammunition to make cost at that level a deciding factor.

While I'm here, I also wonder why the USFWS approved "copper clad iron" without any corrosion inhibitor? It can be up to 44.1% of the shot mass, so it can be a very think "cladding". Doesn't make sense to this old cowboy.
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You should call and ask.
 
Somehow something is not right. Copper shot with the defined coatings is approved, whether BOSS or someone else puts it into shotgun shells, yet BOSS hedges and says they are waiting on approval of their testing device. As far as I know, USFWS approved shot types not specific manufacturers products. I'm not comfortable with BOSS on this.
 
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