Shot Variety

A5 Sweet 16

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As some of you know, I'm a springer guy. A flusher. I'm in my 23rd season of owning a springer, & up until then, the vast majority of my hunting was sans dog. Since owning a dog, not only have my number of shot opportunities increased greatly (of course), but the variety of shot types has too. I get a little bit of everything. Straight-aways, quartering shots, high ones, birds that almost skim the top of the cover, hard crossers (some more behind me than in front), even the occasional oncoming overhead.

What's your shot variety like? For you pointer guys (ones that actually allow you to approach a rooster fairly close), how many of your shots are straight-away or nearly straight-away? For those who partake in both wild & pen-reared pheasants, is there a difference?

Edit, for reference: Looking back on my videos, I don't shoot many roosters that flush more than 15 yds away. Some, but not many. The angle has to be right. I'd say the vast majority flush within 10 yds & some within 5.
 
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I hunted without a dog for years too. I am on my first one right (yellow lab) who just finished her 13th season. Prior to that, I specifically hunted different habitat. I would not venture into very thick cover because I knew there was less of a chance of finding one. I hunted a lot of spots that had open land surrounding the cover so when the bird flushed, I could fold it on open ground. I still harvested birds every season too.

My shots don't seem to be much different than when I hunted without a dog because my dog stays close.

You should know the difference between wild birds and flare nares lol

Maybe a "versatile" breed presents more versatile shots. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Seems like for me most of my pointed birds in the grass usually wind up straight aways. Hunting cane or cattails is a wild card, if I have a partner seems like they wind up being crossing shots or straight ups . Hunting cane solo is tough, they seem to always find that backside to get out of usually leaving me with no shot. If I can help it I'll try and approach to the left of where I think the bird is hoping to push it straight away or to the right to avoid a right to left shot which is my weakness
 
As some of you know, I'm a springer guy. A flusher. I'm in my 23rd season of owning a springer, & up until then, the vast majority of my hunting was sans dog. Since owning a dog, not only have my number of shot opportunities increased greatly (of course), but the variety of shot types has too. I get a little bit of everything. Straight-aways, quartering shots, high ones, birds that almost skim the top of the cover, hard crossers (some more behind me than in front), even the occasional oncoming overhead.

What's your shot variety like? For you pointer guys (ones that actually allow you to approach a rooster fairly close), how many of your shots are straight-away or nearly straight-away? For those who partake in both wild & pen-reared pheasants, is there a difference?
Great question. Believe it or not, I often think about this when watching your videos.

When the birds are holding tight, I have a lot more straight away shots than I did when hunting with my flushers (I currently hunt behind a pointer). Until a change I made in December of this season, those low, away, often short tailed roosters really gave me problems. That's why I pondered this question previously.

Later in the season, and depending on weather and cover, the birds that don't allow us to get as close (either flushing wild well ahead of us, flushing as we approach, or running and flushing) provide a lot more variety. Likewise, where I am positioned relative to the dog increases the variety with birds that don't hold tight. As you have already surmised, it is much more like hunting with a flusher if you aren't right behind the dog when the birds flush as the dog approaches.

Although, on the whole, I would say hunting with a flusher is more challenging than hunting with a pointer, there is one other challenge with pointers and birds that sit tight. If you walk up behind the dog to flush the bird yourself, it can flush behind you if it is off to the side a bit. Or even if it flushes in front of you, if it curves to around behind you, it is doing so in a small radius, making for a difficult shot. If you approach from the front of the dog, you risk the bird being further in front of the dog than you realize, or that it had moved, and now you've messed with the scent the dog will use to track that bird. I rarely approach from the front.

I also try not to walk up and flush the bird, most of the time. Not always, but most of the time. Especially if there are bushes or trees or other cover that might put me at a disadvantage if the bird puts that cover between itself and the end of my shotgun.

Right or wrong, I try to coax Honey into flushing the bird. She is extremely staunch on a point. She won't release on command. However, if I kick the brush, it can sometimes fool her into thinking the bird is moving, and she'll jump across the line of scrimmage. It may also really get the bird to move a little bit, even if it doesn't flush. She doesn't put up with birds moving into optimal flush positioning or running. If they are moving or starting to flush, she lets them have it. By giving myself a little distance between the bird when it flushes, I feel I'm in a better position to make a successful shot.

Back to what I think is your main question, yes, for me anyway, I see many more straight away shots or slightly quartering away shots when I am right up by the on point dog when the bird flushes. It is like standing on the north pole. Any direction you walk is south.
 
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For those who partake in both wild & pen-reared pheasants, is there a difference?
It really depends on the place and the birds. Some won't flush and are caught be the dogs. Some will flush very low, and won't always fly far (which can make a dog think they should keep chasing to retrieve, when the shot is missed, which is exactly what you do want them to do on wild birds you shoot).

Low flushes, pen raised or wild, scare me, especially if I am hunting with others. Honey often bounds up when retrieving. I avoided shooting at one today, because she was behind it and too close, vertically, for my comfort, and then didn't shoot after it veered away from her, because of a farm past the bird.

If you have good, healthy pen raised birds, on the whole, they are going to hold longer, and flush lower, and not accelerate as fast. Their legs aren't nearly as big as wild birds, but their flying ability isn't as strong either. It makes sense. They aren't exercising like wild birds do.

As for which direction they flush, I haven't noticed a difference in that. But since they hold tighter, you end up closer to them more often, and a going away shot is more prevalent, especially with pointers.

I suppose, if it is windy, you might have a greater chance of them turning around with the wind, if you are walking into it, rather then flying low and bucking it. They aren't as strong as the wild birds, so less chance of that tactic. Might not even be experienced enough to know to do that.
 
What's your shot variety like? For you pointer guys (ones that actually allow you to approach a rooster fairly close), how many of your shots are straight-away or nearly straight-away? For those who partake in both wild & pen-reared pheasants, is there a difference?
Short answer for my two Vizslas - a variety. I rarely walk in from behind when they are on point. I try to circle around and come at the dogs. This helps them steady a little more. I also believe it varies because pheasants seem to pre-determine where their rally point is going to be. If you are trigger happy and want to send that wad up their ass most shots will be straight away. If you are patient and let them get a little distance, you see the whole gamet of shots. The one thing I see when hunting in the field with flushers is you get those hard, fast crossing shots at 40-50 yards. I rarely have those opportunities with pointers. My most challenging shot right now is the ones skying and coming back at me and are right overhead. If I have to spin to catch up to that rooster, the rooster has been winning way too often. I need to waterfowl hunt more.
 
I hunted without a dog for years too. I am on my first one right (yellow lab) who just finished her 13th season. Prior to that, I specifically hunted different habitat. I would not venture into very thick cover because I knew there was less of a chance of finding one. I hunted a lot of spots that had open land surrounding the cover so when the bird flushed, I could fold it on open ground. I still harvested birds every season too.

My shots don't seem to be much different than when I hunted without a dog because my dog stays close.

You should know the difference between wild birds and flare nares lol

Maybe a "versatile" breed presents more versatile shots. :ROFLMAO:
They do… because they find birds you wouldn’t have stumbled on yourself!
 
Hunting with my Chessies, I get a variety of shot angles as well. They stay fairly close(still working on that with the new one), but sometimes blow past the bird and flush it on recall, sending it back towards me. When they pin one down that’s holding tight, seems like they tend to flush more straight away and only high enough to clear the cover.
 
IMO most pheasants and quail know where they're going when they take flight. Maybe they weren't facing that direction when they flushed, but they quickly make that one turn towards the intended escape cover. Combine that with them often moving off from the point a little and me often approaching from the side and I think there's quite a bit of variety.
 
As some of you know, I'm a springer guy. A flusher. I'm in my 23rd season of owning a springer, & up until then, the vast majority of my hunting was sans dog. Since owning a dog, not only have my number of shot opportunities increased greatly (of course), but the variety of shot types has too. I get a little bit of everything. Straight-aways, quartering shots, high ones, birds that almost skim the top of the cover, hard crossers (some more behind me than in front), even the occasional oncoming overhead.

What's your shot variety like? For you pointer guys (ones that actually allow you to approach a rooster fairly close), how many of your shots are straight-away or nearly straight-away? For those who partake in both wild & pen-reared pheasants, is there a difference?

Edit, for reference: Looking back on my videos, I don't shoot many roosters that flush more than 15 yds away. Some, but not many. The angle has to be right. I'd say the vast majority flush within 10 yds & some within 5.
If I'm not trying to push a bird in a certain direction, I always approach the point from the dog's side a few feet. I want the dog to see me, but do not want to get directly between the dog and the bird as I think it makes the dog loose concentration, possibly causing the dog to flush. It also eliminates two directions the bird can go towards me or the dog. It will work a good number of times, unless it's a wild assed two plus year-old rooster, then all bets are off. They usually watch me make a circle out in front of the dog, turn back to make sure he's not under the dog's nose. Then he gets up 20 yards behind me, causing me to tangle up my feet in grass. Then when he's sure I'm down, he starts cackling.
 
The dogs flushed one out of the cattails about 30 yards ahead of me that I didn't see right away due to the height of the cattails. The bird flew right towards me about 25' in the air and I never scratched a feather. It all happened in an instant and it was by far the toughest shot I've had in a long time.
I had more birds flush straight up towards the sky this year than I ever remember, and I'm sure I missed every one of them.
 
If I'm not trying to push a bird in a certain direction, I always approach the point from the dog's side a few feet. I want the dog to see me, but do not want to get directly between the dog and the bird as I think it makes the dog loose concentration, possibly causing the dog to flush. It also eliminates two directions the bird can go towards me or the dog.
Good thing to call out. I do the same thing, regarding a few feet to the side when getting the bird to flush, depending on cover. Everyone has their own experiences, but mine are that birds are going to predominantly flush away from the threats, regardless of where the cover is they want to end up at. With the dog being one of those and the person being the other, unless there is a wide gap between the two threats, the bird is flushing somewhere in the semi circle left after you subtract the part between the human and dog. There are always exceptions, of course, but I am speaking of most of the time.

There are also obstacles to take into account. Yesterday, we were walking a tree line. It had calf to knee high grasses on the ground, and short, harvested alfalfa to each side (cut corn 30 yards to one side though). Honey was on point, perpendicular to the line of trees, pointing near the base of a tree, with some lower branches near the ground. I approached 90 degrees off from her point, in line with the trees. The bird didn't want to hit the branches, so it ran and flushed once it cleared them, going in line with the trees and finally veering toward a farm and trees that wind around the farm yard. I've seen that a lot, where they are smart about avoiding obstacles. Flushers are handy in that situation, because the bird might not have time to do that and has to come up through the obstacles, with a suboptimal (from the bird's perspective) flush. My mistake, in hindsight, was not coming at the bird from the opposite direction, putting myself between the bird and the farm. I couldn't shoot with the farm being past the bird.
 
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With my dogs, if a single bird is pointed the shots are like the 3rd station on a trap field, straight away to 30 degrees either side, if multiple pointed then more like a covey flush with various directions. Typically multilples are 2 to 3 and the first one is the straight away. If dog is tracking a bird(s) then the shots are a variety from straight away to more crossing. Also the birds that flush from tracking or pointed greater the 20 from the shooter will quickly change direction to take advantage of the wind.

If in think tree line or thickets I try to approach a point that will force the bird to have to flush thru the brush. Pheasants trying to escape thru thick shelterbelts or plum thickets do struggle and give me more time to make a good shot.
 
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