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I know a couple other differences:

Male-pees on everything and is always chasing a female in heat.

Female-does not mark as much and you are always trying to chase the males away:)
 
My personal experience only:

The females I've had were content to hang around the house when I'd be working in the yard, or even running over to a neighbor's place.

The males I've had, both neutered, were more prone to go exploring.

two different breeds.

Others may have had different experiences.

Best Wishes.
 
Is it really? I don't think I've ever seen a consistent difference other than size.

I had a male and female britt when I moved to the country. Sometimes they would run off and someone would call a couple days later. They are five miles away.

After that male died, I have only had females. Always home by dark.

I see it in the field also. Females britts work harder to keep tabs on you.
 
My pointer is a female. I have seen her hunt out to half a mile in open terrain. The pointer field trial guys discourage "popping" or stopping to check back with the handler. Mine will keep an eye on me most times, but sometimes gets over a hill. Gps is my friend. I have a Garmin Alpha system. It is peace of mind and has ensured I located my dog either on point or just separated from me where she couldn't find me. I highly recommend it to owners of big running dogs, especially young dogs and new owners.
 
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My pointer is a female. I have seen her hunt out to half a mile in open terrain. The pointer field trial guys discourage "popping" or stopping to check back with the handler. Mine will keep an eye on me most times, but sometimes gets over a hill. Gps is my friend. I have a Garmin Alpha system. It is peace of mind and has ensured I located my dog either on point or just separated from me where she couldn't find me. I highly recommend it to owners of big running dogs, especially young dogs and new owners.

How much does that sort of thing run?
 
It's not cheap,but it's worth every penny for a big running pointing dog.

Here's the basic one dog setup. The handheld allows you to see an arrow that point toward the dog and tells you distance to the dog. It will also indicate if the dog stopped and is motionless (pointing). In addition it has all the regular gps functions as well as maps showing your track and your dogs track. The Alpha has a builtin electronic correction function. There is a $600'model with all the gps dog tracking functions, but no shock collar functions.

 
I say look for good instinct. I got my dog from the humane society paid $350.00 for her she is a vizsla and one of the best hunting dogs that I have had and seen. I know you can get what you pay for but I know guys that have spent big big dollars and there dogs cant hunt a lick. Just food for thought.

Remtech
 
That's pretty cool! I watched a shooting dog competition one time and the winner was a rescue.

But, these are rarities. There are low odds of finding a high performance rescue.

Buying a high end bloodline, that you put time into studying, buys you much much higher probability that you'll get all the pieces to the puzzle that makes a truly outstanding hunting dog. It doesn't guarantee it. But it tremendously stacks the cards in your favor. Very well bred lines are getting around $1500 for a pup. Some more, some less. It'll be cheap in the overall ownership of a dog. Archie Manning was a talented football player that produced two talented football playing sons. Danny DeVito probably can't. Genetics.

The OP didn't mention anything about budget, so I'll toss this out there. If buying a pup is $1500, and buying a trained dog is say $3500, there's a $2K difference and a year or more of training. The $3500 dog will likely had the hand of a good pro doing the training. Your training abilities may or may not match the pro. I had more money than time, and had no readily available training ground within a reasonable distance that would allow daily training. I was also getting old and want to hunt, not train. Everyone has to deal with their own economics. Mine gave me the choice of whether I could buy a finished dog or do it myself. I chose buying a finished dog. I believe I could train a pointer to become a decent hunting dog. But I have no illusion I could have produced the dog I bought.
 
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You might put consideration into whether the dog is a 'soft' personality or not. I like soft dogs. I might be wrong in thinking females are more easily soft and courageous. It's part of the personality. They will do for you out of love. You try to be hard with them. They will clam up and give you nothing. Out of love, they will walk through hell for you. I think they have more personality also. More of a friend.

I considered training to be something to do in the off season. We're going to go play and have fun.

I think you do not train a dog to hunt. The dog has that in it. You train a dog....rather teach the dog how to communicate with you. You must work together. The dog wants to please you. Doesn't want to do what cannot work for you. The dog wants it to work. If you've ever missed a bird over a good dog. That dog will look back at you and make you feel like a real dufus.

Whatever breed you pick. Please include consideration of personality. They will know if a pup is soft or not. Shows right off. That doesn't mean the dog is weak or timid. I think it shows the dog has more heart. The dog knows love.

Remember.... Seabiscuit was a soft horse. He did diddily. Until he met a trainer who trained him soft. You should read the story. Will amaze you.

I used to bring my dog to the drive in movies. She thought horses were the living end. Anything with horses. Only problem we had was she would hog the popcorn.

I think how good the dog is depends more on the human. Some people can get all of a dog out of it. Some, can't. I say getting all the dog depends on love and the relationship. Most of the time you won't be hunting. The breeder I got my dog from said: You get out of a dog what you put in it.

If I were looking for a dog. I would be asking for the leftover, the reject, the one everybody else passed over. They are special. I like them better than the rest. I would also ask for soft personality. I wouldn't pass up a rescue dog....It's easy to see if a dog is birdy.
 
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This going to sound cold, but tons of studies support it.

An animal learns thru "association". Pavlov's law...light comes on, food follows...touch button, light comes on, food follows...etc.. Pee on the carpet, get punished, etc.. His cognitive capacity is what allows him to string the actions/past experiences together and anticipate the outcome. Some breeds or individual dogs (people) have more or less cognitive capacity. This is very evident when I watch my two dogs, a lab and a pointer. The pointer is much sharper. Animals (and people) remember associations much longer if they are very pleasing (food, etc.) or very displeasing (pain, little pain short memory, lots of pain, long memory). Your kid mows the lawn, takes out the trash, etc. because he knows from past experience he'll catch hell if he doesn't. You had to repeatedly nag him to do it or maybe one good whipping did it.

A lot of people will disagree with this one. I believe everything a dog does, he does to please himself. See the paragraph above. My lab comes to me every morning, sits next to me, nudges my arm with the expectation of being petted and hugged. She nudges me because she was successful one or more times at getting what she wanted and now associates what she did with what she wants. If I didn't pet and hug her, she'd go to my wife. If I never petted and hugged her, she'd stop coming to me. People do the same thing. It's more apparent in children, but adults do it too. You go to work, they pay you. Do a better job, they reward you with more pay. My lab retrieves a bird to hand because she was rewarded for doing so in training and punished for not doing so. Association. My pointer points a bird because of his genetics. She holds point for extended periods and thru the flush and shot, until released, because of association learned during training. She really wants to break point and take out the bird, but she learned in training doing so would result in punishment. Holding the point results in reward. She wants to avoid punishment. She wants reward. Both of my dogs hunt to please themselves because they are predators. Their intensity to hunt is genetics. Their abilities are a combination of genetics and physical conditioning. They hunt with control because of association learned in training. They retain/ remember the training because it was either a very good experience or very bad experience.

I believe hunt desire (predatory drive) is genetic and can't be trained into the dog (see posts about German dogs). You can't push on a rope.
I believe training is subtractive. That is, it takes something out of the dog that it wanted to do (to please itself). I believe the most successful training is low impact (takes the least away) to the dogs genetic predatory desire to hunt (your kid would mow the grass and take out the trash with much more enthusiasm if you gave him $100 every time he did it).
I believe training needs both, reward and correction/punishment to be successful. Ying and yang. The balance of how much reward and how much correction is a skill of reading the dog to get the most from a dog. Each dog (kid) is different.

To me, my definition of a "soft dog" is one that cannot take much correction/punishment before shutting down. Shutting down means the dog becomes unwilling to do the drill or expected task, hunt, etc., won't take a command. My two females are both what I'd call "soft", albeit relative to their breeds. The pointer is more headstrong, but too much correction will shut her down relative to other pointers. Rewards and light correction work best with my dogs.




My 2 centavos. Everyone that ever sat on a horse is a horse trainer. Everyone that ever owned a dog is a dog trainer. I'm just not much of a trainer.
I'd really like to believe my dogs love me and my wife, but I know we are just running a dog resort.
 
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i am not sure one can generalize that female are softer than males. I had a gsp female that was tough as nails. I doubt a 2x4 could get her attention. She would bounce back for more. The collar could get her attention easier but by no means was she soft. My lab female is far from soft also. I have definitely seen soft females but I have seen some that are tougher than males also.
 
Well, after much deliberation, I think we've decided on a GWP. I really liked it from the beginning, and I really like the idea of a pointer. One thing I forgot, in my exuberance over getting my wife to agree to a new dog, is that I'm moving my family up to North Dakota with me this spring, so a new dog isn't practical that soon. The main benefit to that is that I will have plenty of time to do some research and get on a reservation list for a good breeder for next spring. And that's okay. I waited this long I can wait one more year. I'm going to chime in on the other breeder board, so if anybody has some good breeder recommendations, I'll be starting a conversation about that over there.

I also just wanted to take a quick moment to thank you all for your excellent advice. I received a lot of good insights on this thread and I really appreciate it. I'll keep you all updated!
 
Well, after much deliberation, I think we've decided on a GWP. I really liked it from the beginning, and I really like the idea of a pointer. One thing I forgot, in my exuberance over getting my wife to agree to a new dog, is that I'm moving my family up to North Dakota with me this spring, so a new dog isn't practical that soon. The main benefit to that is that I will have plenty of time to do some research and get on a reservation list for a good breeder for next spring. And that's okay. I waited this long I can wait one more year. I'm going to chime in on the other breeder board, so if anybody has some good breeder recommendations, I'll be starting a conversation about that over there.

I also just wanted to take a quick moment to thank you all for your excellent advice. I received a lot of good insights on this thread and I really appreciate it. I'll keep you all updated!

Your new pup will be in a good home, I'm sure.
 
Congratulations on making your choice, and I hope it works out well for you.
:cheers:
 
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