Great information from all! My routine: pull the skin off the breast and pull off from the thighs, down past the drum stick and to the back of the bird. Dislocate the thigh (just grab the body of the bird and the thigh and kind of push the thigh toward the back of the bird, (the direction it doesn't want to go), now run your knife along the body of the bird from the front to the dislocated joint. At the joint, you will need to come out toward the foot with the knife, just a bit, to get through the joint and then continue, keeping the knife close to the body of the bird to remove it. I then hold the leg by the foot and run the knife just under the thigh meat, starting at the knee and work toward the exposed joint where you separated it, against the femur bone, you will need to do this about 3-4 times to get a nice clean femur. Now hold the leg by the bare femur and with the meat hanging down, carve a bit farther, just down to the knee, watch for the "knee-cap" (front & back) you want to leave that, but get the meat you can and cut that free from the leg. (I leave the drumstick meat) You now have a nice, but strange looking piece of dark meat. You can run your thumb up between the different muscle groups to separate them. You will find a white cord (an artery I believe), in the meat, grab that in the middle and pull it out. It is tough, it will pull out whole, I have never had one of these break. There you go, cook as desired! Hope this is helpful.