Democrat Gun Grab

In some states it does not work that easy for buying firearms and ammo. One only needs to look at Illionis. I believe Mr. Hyde is correct with what he said. It isn't the bluedog democrats, but the big city liberals who detest our firearms and heritage. I never heard what happened to HR 45, but that is scary stuff.
 
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In some states it does not work that easy for buying firearms and ammo. One only needs to look at Illionis. I believe Mr. Hyde is correct with what he said. It isn't the bluedog democrats, but the big city liberals who detest our firearms and heritage. I never heard what happened to HR 45, but that is scary stuff.
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I'll help you out. Nothing has happened with HR45. Nothing will happen. It'll die without ever reaching the floor. Don't lose any sleep.

I thought you Conservatives were in favor of State's Rights. You know, Illinois can have multiple gun laws and a liberal democratic state like Vermont can have none, depending on what their citizens want. Am I wrong? No State's Rights for you?

Good idea or not, the big Illinois cities try to fight high crime with gun regulations.

Good idea or not, Vermont permits any sort of carry, anywhere, anytime, no permit required.

I'll bet MrHyde owns guns and ammo. In Illinois. If MrHyde doesn't like where he lives, he's free to run for public office, free to vote, free to try to change the laws, and free to leave, isn't he? He could move to Vermont where he'd have no problem at all with his guns. Of course it's cold up there. And full of liberal Democrats too.

I don't know what you mean by "detest our heritage". I doubt the big city liberals in Chicago even know or care what your heritage is.

Matter of fact, I don't know much about Kansans' heritage either, however I do recall that guns were banned in Dodge City about 150 years ago, one of the first cities to do so. Is that a proud part of your heritage, citywide gun bans? I don't think there were any Second Amendment court cases about that, were there? I don't recall that Kansans ran Earp out of town, did they? I guess Kansans thought it was okay.

Care to fill me in?

And while you're at it, let MrHyde speak for himself.
 
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Our Politicians are under a lot of pressure for gun control. Not from the normal folk like you and me. But the Chiefs of Police in these Big Cities with lots of votes. Those Police Chiefs are scared to death of an armed public. They are real ones raising the most ruckus......Bob
 
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I'll help you out. Nothing has happened with HR45. Nothing will happen. It'll die without ever reaching the floor. Don't lose any sleep.

I thought you Conservatives were in favor of State's Rights. You know, Illinois can have multiple gun laws and a liberal democratic state like Vermont can have none, depending on what their citizens want. Am I wrong? No State's Rights for you?

Good idea or not, the big Illinois cities try to fight high crime with gun regulations.

Good idea or not, Vermont permits any sort of carry, anywhere, anytime, no permit required.

I'll bet MrHyde owns guns and ammo. In Illinois. If MrHyde doesn't like where he lives, he's free to run for public office, free to vote, free to try to change the laws, and free to leave, isn't he? He could move to Vermont where he'd have no problem at all with his guns. Of course it's cold up there. And full of liberal Democrats too.

I don't know what you mean by "detest our heritage". I doubt the big city liberals in Chicago even know or care what your heritage is.

Matter of fact, I don't know much about Kansans' heritage either, however I do recall that guns were banned in Dodge City about 150 years ago, one of the first cities to do so. Is that a proud part of your heritage, citywide gun bans? I don't think there were any Second Amendment court cases about that, were there? I don't recall that Kansans ran Earp out of town, did they? I guess Kansans thought it was okay.

Care to fill me in?

And while you're at it, let MrHyde speak for himself.
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Speaking For myself

First off, thanks Badger for saying that :cheers:

Second : Norman how can I explain this to you without causing a rant.

I am not going to fall in the trap debating your ignorance of my state and it's gun laws or to tell me that I should move to Vermont or run for office or to vote, I do vote, people like you only want to debate made up facts to make yourself feel good about themselves and not look at the broader picture of whats going on in my state IL., if want to find out about the state of IL. use Google I don't have the time to explain all whats going on here. Maybe you should Chicago you probably fit right in.
 
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Speaking For myself

First off, thanks Badger for saying that :cheers:

Second : Norman how can I explain this to you without causing a rant.

I am not going to fall in the trap debating your ignorance of my state and it's gun laws or to tell me that I should move to Vermont or run for office or to vote, I do vote, people like you only want to debate made up facts to make yourself feel good about themselves and not look at the broader picture of whats going on in my state IL., if want to find out about the state of IL. use Google I don't have the time to explain all whats going on here. Maybe you should Chicago you probably fit right in.
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MrHyde, you have no clue who I am or who "people like me" are.

Made up facts? Which fact have I "made up", MrHyde? Name one.

I don't live in Illinois, and I don't much care what's going on there. Whatever it is, it's being done by public officials, elected by a majority. That's called democracy. You don't like it? Tough.
 
bobeyerite said:
Our Politicians are under a lot of pressure for gun control. Not from the normal folk like you and me. But the Chiefs of Police in these Big Cities with lots of votes. Those Police Chiefs are scared to death of an armed public. They are real ones raising the most ruckus......Bob
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Lots of votes. Yep, you hit the nail right on the head. One man/one vote. It's called Democracy.
 
jnormanh said:
MrHyde, you have no clue who I am or who "people like me" are.

Made up facts? Which fact have I "made up", MrHyde? Name one.

I don't live in Illinois, and I don't much care what's going on there. Whatever it is, it's being done by public officials, elected by a majority. That's called democracy. You don't like it? Tough.
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Very good you know what it means "majority" but when people like you Democrat or Liberal don't like what the majority says you use the courts sys. in over ruling the Majority that my friend is Chicago politics in a nut shell thats Not Democracy thats Socialism
 
Mr Hyde said:
Very good you know what it means "majority" but when people like you Democrat or Liberal don't like what the majority says you use the courts sys. in over ruling the Majority that my friend is Chicago politics in a nut shell thats Not Democracy thats Socialism
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MrHyde, I cannot discuss anything with you like a rational person. You know nothing about me or "people like me". You're opposed to majority rule, and apparently opposed to courts. I cannot imagine what sort of government you want? Are you a Communist? An Anarchist? What?

You don't know what the word Socialism means. Here, I'll help you out.

so⋅cial⋅ism
  
â??noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

See, it has nothing to do with any court sys.

The only thing I can make out is that you are a whining mud-slinger, throwing every insult and half-baked Rush Limbaugh idea you can think of at the wall to see if something will stick.
 
jnormanh said:
MrHyde, I cannot discuss anything with you like a rational person. You know nothing about me or "people like me". You're opposed to majority rule, and apparently opposed to courts. I cannot imagine what sort of government you want? Are you a Communist? An Anarchist? What?

You don't know what the word Socialism means. Here, I'll help you out.

so⋅cial⋅ism
  
–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

See, it has nothing to do with any court sys.

The only thing I can make out is that you are a whining mud-slinger, throwing every insult and half-baked Rush Limbaugh idea you can think of at the wall to see if something will stick.
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Whining Mud Slinger Wow ! why because I don't believe in the same things you do or is it because I call you a Liberal or a Democrat ? you haven't confute it yet, and yes I do listen to Rush once in awhile, but I also watch MSNBC Kieth Oberman sometimes to get both sides of the story it's called being an individual and have independent thought. I choose to be a conservative because thats who I am I believe in freedom, capitalism, lower taxes, majority rules and small government. I don't like the courts Why, I will explain it again, the courts have no business or place over ruling the majority of voters plain and simple.
I can't help when you start having to go the Dictionary and tell me what Socialism is, here Socialism = Karl Marx which = communism and you can go on and on. bottom line it's about power and who has it and how they can control you and your family "big government"
 
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I believe it was Ben Franklin who said - Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voteing on what to eat for lunch, Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. Probable butchered the quote or who said it, but it holds water.
 
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Oh No! Save your time guys. This will continue to go on until you all run out of nasty things to say. He has some good points (though I don't agree with many of them), but he can't seem to express them without being offensive. Why not express our opinions without the name calling and the insinuation that someone is less intelligent because they believe something that contrasts your own beliefs? Go ahead and play on the words as you wish. If you re-read the posts, you'll notice a pretty nasty tone.

Instead of continuing to argue and making this site like the other pheasant hunting site I used to visit, let's discuss something like birds, guns, or dogs. We all seem to get along much better when we do.
 
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Oh No! jnormanh is on his soapbox again. Save your time guys. This will continue to go on until he runs out of nasty things to say. He has some good points (though I don't agree with many of them), but he can't seem to express them without being offensive. Why not express our opinions without the name calling and the insinuation that someone is less intelligent because they believe something that contrasts your own beliefs? Go ahead and play on the words as you wish. If you re-read the posts, you'll notice a pretty nasty tone.

Instead of continuing to argue and making this site like the other pheasant hunting site I used to visit, let's discuss something like birds, guns, or dogs. We all seem to get along much better when we do.
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KB I normally stay out of this type of discussion because I not going to change peoples minds on how they perceive this country, they can believe what they want as long they have respect for somebody else's point of view. But when people talk down or disrespect somebody's point view thats why I reacted last night and that I had to much Diet Mountian Dew earlier. BTW it's Uncle Buck's Fault, he started it anyway :p
 
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KB I normally stay out of this type of discussion because I not going to change peoples minds on how they perceive this country, they can believe what they want as long they have respect for somebody else's point of view. But when people talk down or disrespect somebody's point view thats why I reacted last night and that I had to much Diet Mountian Dew earlier. BTW it's Uncle Buck's Fault, he started it anyway :p
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Not so fast, MrHyde-

Here are your words -

"people like you only want to debate made up facts"

I'll ask you again, point out one fact which I made up.

"people like you"

You used that phrase several times, so answer: what do you know about me, and what people am I like?

Tough question, eh? Here, I'll help you out:

I do lots of target shooting and as much upland hunting as I can.
I look for every opportunity to introduce newbies to shotgunning so they will learn that properly handled guns are not dangerous and the people who shoot them are not nut cases. Over the years I've started at least twenty new shooters.
I provide financial support to our High School shooting team, which now has 100+ young shooters.
I volunteer my time to help our local club prosper and bring in new shooters.
I think all responsible adults should be able to own guns, however I have no objection if law enforcement knows who does own guns, and I have no problem at all denying gun ownership to criminals and the mentally unstable.

I dislike people who damage the reputation of responsible gun owners with statements like "Get armed up, we're going to take our country back from "them", and who propose gun violence as a solution to political differences.

I absolutely hate those who promote gun violence. You know who I mean, those folks whose ranting and raving encouraged Jim Adkisson to enter the Universalist Church in Knoxville with his 12 ga and begin killing good people. Listen to what Adkisson said to police officers -

During the interview Adkisson stated that he had targeted the church because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of major media outlets. Adkisson made statements that because he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement that he would then target those that had voted them into office. Adkisson stated that he had held these beliefs for about the last ten years.

And where did Adkisson get those ideas? Turn on AM talk radio and listen for yourself.
 
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We wouldn't need many laws if everyone would act reasonably at all times. Unfortunately, that is not the case so we have laws. A good example is drinking and driving, if we remove the law then more innocent folks will die. The stiffer the law the fewer the deaths. Some folks say the law is too stiff and some say its not stiff enough. We draw the line somewhere between the punishment and the enjoyment of drinking alcohol.

I think the same goes for gun laws. If everyone acted responsibly, ie not shoot one another, then we would not have a need for gun laws. Unfortunately folks do not always act reasonably so we have laws to protect those that do. The more unreasonable we act the more likely we will have stiffer gun laws. The line has to be drawn somewhere between the restiction of the law, the punishment and the enjoyment of owning firearms.

Everyone has their own opinion about where that line should be drawn and its probably based between a fear of getting hurt by someone with a firearm and/or the enjoyment of hunting or shooting.

Society in general is growing weary of the many shootings that occur every day. So its not surprising that we will see increased pressure to stiffen the gun laws in the future.

LM
 
What is with you guys, Kanasbrittany asked politely for you people to tone it down. You are not doing any good continuing on this way. So please do as requested and drop it or become nicer......Bob
 
jnormanh said:
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Denying gun ownership to criminals and the mentally unstable.


I absolutely hate those who promote gun violence. You know who I mean, those folks whose ranting and raving encouraged Jim Adkisson to enter the Universalist Church in Knoxville with his 12 ga and begin killing good people. Listen to what Adkisson said to police officers -[/B]
During the interview Adkisson stated that he had targeted the church because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of major media outlets. Adkisson made statements that because he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement that he would then target those that had voted them into office. Adkisson stated that he had held these beliefs for about the last ten years.

And where did Adkisson get those ideas? Turn on AM talk radio and listen for yourself.
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Well we agree on the Denying gun ownership to felons and mentally unstable people. and gun violence such as Adkisson incident.

But apparently you didn't read the whole story on Adkisson I didn't see one mention of talk radio "Did you make that up ??". What I read was that this guy was a Big time Racist " IMO" and has been threaten to and I quote "too blow his ex-wife's brains out, then blow his brains out" the story link is below for your convenience. have a good day :)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/28/jim-d-adkisson-charged-in_n_115281.html
 
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