Looks like I might have ordered the wrong ones. I ordered the ones that had the 1000 denier nylon going all the way up the front, assuming those were the toughest. It looks like they used canvas on the back side of those pants, not nylon. I guess we'll see how they hold up over time.Dan’s also makes pants & bibs that have no canvas or denim, these are solid nylon & are briarproof. These are made in SE Ohio, in Amish country, probably by Amish. Ruffed grouse or raccoon hunting in Appalachia is way tougher than any place I have hunted in the plains states, or MI, or WI, or Ontario. Also way tougher than in the South. Greenbriar patches of 400 square feet, & head high. Blackberry patches & Thornapple. Wild rose bush, Occasionally multiflora rose. No cactus or sand burrs though. Very tough clothing. If you are worried about moisture, treat them with clear urethane, not a teflon type spray
The ones that are the typical mix of 400 denier and 1000 denier don't have the 1000 denier going all the way up in the front for some reason.
I can't do bibs, due to the heat factor.