2nd Kansas Trip recap

ctfisher

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Wanted to give a recap of my second trip out to hunt the NCK public.

We arrived Sunday of opening weekend and scouted/hunted a couple of WIHA spots that we had never looked at before. Was 50s and windy if I remember right. The first walk we did was along a field edge/fence line with 20yards +/- of good grass before it turned into a harvested milo field. We walked the middle of the milo field down (about a mile) and then turned and swept the field edge back to the truck (wind in our face on the walk back). I expected something to get up, even wild and too far to shoot at, but nothing. Was a tad disappointed as it looked good as far as WIHA goes. Second spot we walked was very similar and down the road a ways, nothing. On the way to the other side of that same property a rooster crossed the road in front of us (leaving private headed onto private). Encouraging, we thought. Walked some good grass on the nearest piece of that WIHA tract and flushed a hen right near the end of the walk. It was across the road from an unharvested milo field.

Rest of our hunts were all on wildlife area land.

Monday was nothing to write home about except for being 14 degrees and very frosty. I was amazed that the frost didn't wet my clothes as i walked thru the grass - it just disappeared...i guess due to such low humidity? Got there late and wasnt able to listen for cackling to locate birds. We hunted the bulk of the day since we knew it was going to get up into the 70s on Tuesday. We flushed one covey of juvenile quail (3 of them) that were small enough to fit in the palm of your hand. Flushed another cover of quail that my dog ran over top of, 5 of them, of which I shot one. Only saw 3 pheasants get up out of range in a standing corn field, no shots fired.

Tuesday was frustrating. Heard several different birds in the predawn minutes, and lots of quail in every direction. We ended up figuring out there were some birds hiding in cattails within a dry creek bed between a Beaverdam and the river channel. I missed a long shot at one that got up 60ish yards away from me (i had stopped walking waiting on my dad to catch up to me, knew it was a mistake). Two more ran up on the creek bank and then flushed making for a hard shot with a short window - in my excitement and panic i rushed the shot at #1 and emptied the gun, no dice. Reloaded and the second flushed and same thing, two misses. I was apoplectic. We ended up flushing one more on that creekbed at about 1030 (it was hot already by then) and my pops knocked it down but it was not hit well at all. My dog didn't locate it. We rested Tuesday afternoon. it was 73 deg.

Wednesday AM was our best hunt, and our last hunt. Dog flushed a rooster 70+ yards away when I had let him get away from us and range, and then we flushed 2 more shortly after. I shot it and knocked all kinds of feathers off, at close range too, but we couldn't locate the bird after looking for 10 minutes. I must have not delivered a kill shot. That one hurt. We walked one last strip of cover that would land us right back at the truck - a grown up ditch between the standing corn and a alfalfa field. A covey of 8 quail got up (dog ran over them again...). I doubled on 2 shots. Then a rooster flushed, pops folded him into the corn and after about 2 minutes of searching the pup turned up with feathers in his mouth and led me back to the bird. We finished that strip of cover and saw 4 hens in total, and I walloped a rooster right at the truck as they spilled out of the cover one after another.

Overall was a good hunt and the thick cover and standing crops made it tougher, but not impossible. Just need to shoot better!

I was a little frustrated that another year went and I still haven't had my dog point a pheasant or a covey of quail up there though... I would love to blame it on the lack of humidity/tough scenting conditions, but i truly don't know if that is the reason or not.
 
The dog and shooters need more practice. 60yd shot? Dog dropping bird? Write off trip as educational. Kansas has a lot to offer.
What breed is your dog? Hello to your father.
 
You aren't wrong about shooting practice. I am guilty as charged of being one not to practice my shotgunning and just show up in the field to hunt, expecting to shoot my best every time.

My pup is a 3 year old Vizsla. I have hunted him a lot on game farm birds - he has well over 100 contacts in that setting on mostly quail, some phez, I would say. However here in GA, where I do that, he regularly and reliably scents and points birds that are planted and ones that I did not know were there (other peoples leftovers). Typically I get there and set my birds out in the predawn so I can hunt right at shooting light and make it as realistic as possible. Birds do move on me sometimes, but most times stay within the same 10 feet or so of where I place them. If he is moving fast he may get danger close to them, but it is not the norm for him to run over top of birds in that setting, though it does happen every now and then. In fact sometimes when there is a steady gentle breeze, he will point birds from 20-25 feet away when I circle him in downwind. That's why its so mystifying to me that he just doesn't seem to scent these wild birds. But here in GA it is always very humid as you can imagine. Especially in the September/October early mornings when it dips into the 40s and 50s, there will be heavy dew on the grass and sometimes fog as well. So I was rationalizing that he may be able to scent the birds much easier here with that humidity to help hold/carry scent. Versus in KS where it was so dry, and the wild birds scent maybe isn't as strong to begin with..... idk.

P.S.: the one bird where I mentioned he came back to me with feathers in his mouth - but no bird - i think was partly my fault to be honest. I lost track of the dog in the heat of the moment searching for the bird hastily so we didn't lose another cripple. I couldn't hear him running thru the cornstalks and so after about 30 seconds of silence I was beeping, then vibrating, then shocking him on level 1 and calling him back to me. Why he didn't bring the bird I don't know, but he probably thought i was calling him off of it due to that. Just my suspicion. He did very good finding dead birds and bringing them to hand otherwise.
 
I think it was poor scenting conditions, but I still feel like that's a cop out to say as an excuse for my dog not scenting and pointing birds. Maybe my dog isn't as good as I think/wish he was. He definitely gets more excited when we get the first bird up or in the bag. When we are just doing alot of walking he will sometimes act as though he isn't sure what we are doing. Bird flushes, we shoot, he comes alive and is like "okay now i know what we're after!". He's my son and I love him dearly despite all of that.
 
We were in NK this week and did fairly well. Sun-tue were warm but we still got birds. The rest of the week was better. We found eight covey's of quail in five days. All of them were small less than 10 birds so we didn't chase singles. They also all seemed to fly into cat tails and phragmities that made the decision easier lol. Me and my dad got 12 pheasants in total for the week. My dogs pointed some of the pheasants but we flushed some of them too. My dogs are both steady and my pointer is steady until I release him. We actually had better luck with my GSP on phez because she relocates and puts birds in the air. I know it's not the best dog work but it puts in the air. In the tall grass fields I also tried to keep the dogs inside 40 yards if the dogs out 70 yards in front of you the birds would run off or get up out of range We would go open spots I would let them go find quail.
 
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I think it was poor scenting conditions, but I still feel like that's a cop out to say as an excuse for my dog not scenting and pointing birds. Maybe my dog isn't as good as I think/wish he was. He definitely gets more excited when we get the first bird up or in the bag. When we are just doing alot of walking he will sometimes act as though he isn't sure what we are doing. Bird flushes, we shoot, he comes alive and is like "okay now i know what we're after!". He's my son and I love him dearly despite all of that.
Sounds like a great trip! I'm glad you had fun and found some success.

Scenting conditions are certainly part of it. As you pointed out, Georgia and Kansas have very different atmospheric conditions.

I'm not trying to be discouraging, but there's probably a lot more. While we can't possibly understand a dog's nose and how their brain interprets the data, here are some things to consider.
  • Wild birds may smell less (which you mentioned) or different. The confinement/density in the enclosure may impart a "barnyard" scent to released birds that your dog interprets as "bird scent." Most likely wild birds eat a different diet than training birds, which might also impact scent.
  • The dog may be noting/reacting to scents related to planting the birds: crushed grass or other vegetation from your footsteps, scents from you or your home that linger on your pants and transfer to the vegetation, etc. I've often read that trainers sometimes struggle with dogs that learn to follow the footsteps of the trainer to the planted bird.
  • The dog presumably knows the game farm and has confidence that there will be birds there. Perhaps you're right that the dog lacks confidence in the field or just doesn't know what he's there to do until that first bird jumps.
One of my vizslas will point box turtles when we're prairie chicken hunting. I've always attributed that to the scent of disturbed vegetation, but who knows? Both of them will occasionally point meadowlarks, again while we're chicken hunting.

While "hunt more" is an obvious suggestion, trips from Georgia to wild bird country are surely expensive and time consuming. It might be worth a few game farm trips to ONLY hunt other people's leftovers.
 
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