Pheasants are way down!!!!

You are SO right about that. Sometimes though, I have to vent a bit. You have to remember that for some of us, it's our "HOLY GRAIL" 5 day trip.....Before some of you laugh at me for being less than optimistic regarding the bird population try to realize that you have that Great State to hunt all season long and some of you take that for granted.......

For the more noble among us; I put in a lot of hours in parts of KS that just don't have many birds these days. I appreciate and enjoy every minute of it. The pups and I will put on miles for a shot at one or 2 birds and consider every one of those experiences well worth my while. As Terry pointed out though, some of us get to experience SD once every 3 or 4 years. When we do, there's really only one reason we do it. Because we expect it to be a cut above what we can expect at home....if it weren't, us workin' men wouldn't spend our hard earned $ (a sizable chunk in momma's eyes!!) to come visit your fine state. We were all just optimistic that we'd get a better ROI when we were making our plans months ago in many cases.

We will still visit and we will still get our birds. My only complaint of my last SD trip was limiting too quickly...believe me, that's not why I had to vent. I vented b/c it's not going to be the kind of year I can show my sons a field literally crawling with birds at feeding time. They can see groups of 20-30 birds in KS every 2-3 years for a lot less butt kissing and $, which all happens to come out of daddy's arse;)

Don't assume that just b/c we're disappointed that we're the type of people that only visit b/c we want something for nothing. Tie your high horses to the hitchin' post:cool:
 
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cancel...don't come...not worth it...stay home....kidding, of course...but, there will be lots of guys that cancel...all in all, it may be a better overall experience if hunter #'s drop and access gets a bit easier...via Aspen Outfitting Company, is taunting me in a big way...can't wait!!!!

Many of us KS hunters are looking forward to a similar experience on a different scale this season. Having fewer hunters this season will be worth the extra "work" of finding birds:cheers:
 
Let's see, in mid december last year, 4 of us saw maybe 400 pheasants in a 3 day trip. I will still take 50% of that. That's like 10 years worth, with bad math, in north east Kansas.
 
I'll take my chances, two young boys and two young dogs and watch the excitement from all of them. Last year I think it took two weeks to clear the smiles from their faces and stories that kept coming.

There was a point when my wife said, "OH come on, You couldn't have had that much fun!"

At that point my 12 year old started all over again. All I could think of was.....,"How Perfect".

Can't wait until the second week in November. Ya.. the trip is worth it.:10sign:
 
Maybe not the best news but maybe a few bad years will thin the high prices and mass commercialization across the state. Things get slow, everybody and his brother charging/guiding to hunt pheasants, might move onto something else for income. In the long run, the freelance hunter might benefit. Who knows?
 
OnPoint, They will just release birds to make up the difference on the high dollar operations. They release a jillion now. Just ask McFarlane and Oelson Flyway hatcheries. It would be my hope it would reduce the commercialism as well, wild produced birds are owned by all citizens held in trust by the government. Biggest governmental goof of all was ever allowing access to harvest game, to be limited. Government should have held most land in trust and leased it to operators on use basis, reserving and preserving certain rights like access to hunt and fish. Meanwhile I guess we'll find out who the real hunters are, and they can join the rest of us across the country who count our flushes by one instead of 50!
 
Maybe not the best news but maybe a few bad years will thin the high prices and mass commercialization across the state. Things get slow, everybody and his brother charging/guiding to hunt pheasants, might move onto something else for income. In the long run, the freelance hunter might benefit. Who knows?

Actually I think the commercial operations that are serious about it will probably gain. I never release birds, hunters that come here come to hunt wild birds. I do everything I can to see to it that the birds survive and thrive. I left 20 acres of corn in several locations for winter feed. When the snow got so deep that it burried the corn I carried feed in 5 gallon pails through knee deep snow to the trees so the birds could find it. With 700 acres of nesting scattered around, the one that made it through the winter should have had an opportunity to have a succesful hatch. I think that the hunters that come here will have a very good year and when they tell their friends about it they will prrobably be more inclined to want to come here next year. Or am I wrong about that.
 
I believe everyone that comes to hunt SD has their own reasons for coming to the great state. None of them are wrong. Some guys like to walk for hours and work their dogs and get a few birds. Others come for the numbers of birds that come out of a single field. I can only speak for our group but when the numbers go from seeing 100 to 38 birds per field (Aberdeen down 62%) that is a huge decrease.
Our group has land in Illinois that we can walk for hours and scratch out some birds. We love pheasant hunting. However, when you are talking a 4 day hunt, 8 guys with lodging, food, gas, treaspass fee.... ect ect. Now we stop and say is it worth it? For our group the answer is no. If we lived 2 hours away it would be no big deal. When you drive 14 hours to hunt and see 62% less birds than what you are accustomed to seeing... I'll just walk the IL fields until the numbers get back up.
 
the big money guys will show up and those operations getting $2K for a 3 day hunt can well afford to release lots of pen raised birds.

the free lance guys and those that are willing to pay a reasonable day fee to hunt a few days may see an immediate decline. if they do come and have a tough hunt that may accelerate the disinterest next season, especially if numbers have not improved significantly next year. for many the requirement of a very long drive, without easy daily limits, will reduce the value of the SD experience....good luck to all.
 
I can beleive the numbers, but note the carryover of mature roosters has been good for two years. Will still have a couple nephews out from Minnesota for youth hunt and get them going.
 
Howdy, Buck--I bought an Uggie 16 last summer with some cast off and I shoot it well....bought that AYA 4/53 last summer and shoot it well, and it has some cast off...this Uggie is one of those that comes out of Aspen Outfitting Co. and it has some cast off as well...shot one round of sporting clays and I did OK with it as well...why I had an issue with the one I sold you I don't know...maybe I didn't give that one a chance...wanted ejectors, now with no more birds in SD I wouldn't need them anyway!!! It'll be singles at best....JK. Hope U R well...Mike S.
 
Howdy, Buck--I bought an Uggie 16 last summer with some cast off and I shoot it well....bought that AYA 4/53 last summer and shoot it well, and it has some cast off...this Uggie is one of those that comes out of Aspen Outfitting Co. and it has some cast off as well...shot one round of sporting clays and I did OK with it as well...why I had an issue with the one I sold you I don't know...maybe I didn't give that one a chance...wanted ejectors, now with no more birds in SD I wouldn't need them anyway!!! It'll be singles at best....JK. Hope U R well...Mike S.

Ya, ejectors would be nice.
Little tired from whelping pups Weds, but hope to catch up this weekend. Not much recreation this summer with all the claims work. Will catch up this fall.
 
Maybe not the best news but maybe a few bad years will thin the high prices and mass commercialization across the state. Things get slow, everybody and his brother charging/guiding to hunt pheasants, might move onto something else for income. In the long run, the freelance hunter might benefit. Who knows?

I just read on the Saskatchewan government website that it is illegal to charge anyone to hunt on your land there.
 
The bird count this year is very similar to 2002. In 2002 hunters in SD took 1.2 MILLION pheasants and last year 1.8 million-- thats a decline for sure, but where else this year do they expect a harvest of about 1.2 MILLION pheasants. I plan on enjoying a very good year myself:cheers:
 
Well, Moeller, the government GAVE most of this ground to somebody, to encourage homesteading without any conditions besides staying for a period of time. These people who perserveered over time resold the land for many thousands of dollars. The arguement being that it was improved. Now we spend a sizable amount of USDA dollars to encourage the new stewards to not plow wetlands, bulldoze WPA/NRA/CCC hedgerows planted by the government in the thirties to fix the "stewardship" defficiencies of our great grandfathers, and try to put the ground back the way it was originally. All the while we are currently allowing the destruction of public ground, (BLM, forest service), to gouge a a few minerals out of the ground, produce an almost meaningless amount of oil compared to the national consumption, and harvest a tremendous amount of timber,most of which in the pacific northwest is exported to Japan, most of this is free to the harvester, or bears a laughable fee. Graze public ground on the basis of AUM units, degrading streams and forage for anywhere from 1.50-20.00 per year per cow calf. The US government intent was clear from the start, the game, unlike Europe, belongs to the people. It never occured to framers 200+ years ago, that someone would bar the legal pursuit or access to public game. This is my point, had that been a consideration, I suspect there might have been public access laws written, but with 95% of the country un-occuppied by anybody, it wasn't an issue. By the time it was, we had reached the point, like all governments, the we were corrupted away from the purer pursuits of utopian society and subject to landowner lobbies, and special interests, with money, who were able to enforce legalities slanted to their particular advantage. If you want to source this question yourself, read about the history of U.S. railroads, or the Johnson County, Wy. war, or Teddy Roosevelt, and his battles with J.P.Morgan, Or Standard Oil and it's war of union busting in Colorado circa 1880-1910. As far as Stalin being proud, you might want to go back and read your history, Stalin was a totalaterial and a paranoid mass murderer. I don't advocate "land reform" in any aspect, except I would seek to protect what we still own in common, and maximize the value of leased public ground, in this time of economic hardship. Now if your asking me if it could all be done over again, from the begining, than my statement stands. Solves the access problems, solves the high cost of ground for beginning farmers, forces the producer to make money or not, based upon their business and farming skills, not on speculators,holding ground till they can cash out. All I'm saying is it would have been better, to sell/ or give, one 160@ homestead per say 2560@, enter into a long term lease with the holder of that parcel to graze/farm the 2560@ surrounding for what would have been pennies in the 1800's to a dollar figure today, which is a fraction of the cash rent currently of everything from $75.00 - $500, per acre asking prices. Such a system would keep farm incomes up,food prices down, we could adjust the conservation measures as they evolve, hunting access would be automatic except on the homestead/privately held ground. with lease income paid to the government,seek to eliminate income tax for producers, and take a big whack at Federal budget issues. Leases could be inherited, traded, reasigned, traded with caps, This is not a unique theory though it may seem that way. Throughout ancient history into modern times it was the crop produced off the ground that had value, grain or cattle, not the ground itself. The crop will still be retained by the producer. If this is to close to home, so be it, The system I describe would destroy my business but it doesn't mean it would not have been the prudent direction. As I said, water over the dam. I will submit that even in these times of overheated farmland values, the ground is only worth what it will cash flow over a spread of historical past performances. I encourage any civil alternative point of view, but, surely we can do better than resort to the old "commie" slur.
 
The bird count this year is very similar to 2002. In 2002 hunters in SD took 1.2 MILLION pheasants and last year 1.8 million-- thats a decline for sure, but where else this year do they expect a harvest of about 1.2 MILLION pheasants. I plan on enjoying a very good year myself:cheers:

That is very well said Jim.
 
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