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Remtech

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Well today my dad treated me to a game farm hunt and it was very interesting we had six birds released an hour before hunting and my dog grab three of the birds while taking off and i shot two leaving my dad with one that he shot. Over all i would have rather been wild bird chasing lol my dog sure can jump even though those were some dumb birds.

Remtech
 
I agree that there's nothing like wild birds...however that isn't typical of released birds. Were they mature birds ? They're not the most intelligent birds but should be that dumb..
What preserve were you hunting and how was the cover?
 
UplandHntr said:
I agree that there's nothing like wild birds...however that isn't typical of released birds. Were they mature birds ? They're not the most intelligent birds but should be that dumb..
What preserve were you hunting and how was the cover?
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X2.

I am curious as well what club this was.

Did you say anything about the birds being slow when you got back to the clubhouse/lodge?

My breeder/trainer is a guide at a high end southern Wisconsin club. I have also spent some time talking to a guide at a local to me club. They say there is one thing that people hate more than not being able to find the birds they pay for, and that is when the dogs get them. They will take steps to insure that doesn't happen. That is why when people call to book a hunt, they usually ask what type of dog you have, a pointer or a flusher.

An hour is a long time to wait, I would think that the roosters for sure would have been on the move? I assume at least three of them were roosters? Did the dog catch roosters or hens?

Did you have them dizzy the birds or just release them? The club I hunt at will ask to what degree I want them dizzied. It could be a case of over shaking them, again, especially the roosters.

While I certainly will concede that "club" or "farm" hunting can lack the true "hunt" sometimes, I surely wouldn't base your opinion on this experience. Sounds to me like you need to find another club.

I would mention something to the club. Word travels fast, and if they indeed have an issue with the birds or how they are being handled, I am sure they would appreciate hearing it before people just stop coming.

Also, does this club allow the shooting of scratch birds? Most clubs will have some scratch birds running around by now, and from what I have seen, they are as close to "wild" as you can get. Even though most clubs charge extra, which stinks, did you try for any scratch birds or did you hang it up after the 6 went up?

Again......an hour seems like a long time to have the birds be so "slow". Something doesn't seem right.
 
I was hunting thereasa game birds and it was my first time there. My dad did not asked for them to be dizzyed either. My dog sets birds in stead of flushing or pointing. The two birds she did catch were roosters also. I will be going wild bird chasing on next thursday.
 
Remtech said:
I was hunting thereasa game birds and it was my first time there. My dad did not asked for them to be dizzyed either. My dog sets birds in stead of flushing or pointing. The two birds she did catch were roosters also. I will be going wild bird chasing on next thursday.
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Pretty sure they all will dizzy the birds to a degree unless specifically asked to not to.
 
I have seen this every time I've been to a game farm. We normally go twice before season to get the dog in shape (and shooter). One time a buddy bought 15 birds for him and his son and we bought 5, of the 20 birds my dog caught 7 and almost grabbed 3 more if the tail feathers would have held. Another farm we put out 10 total birds, dog got 4 and we shot the other 6 in a total of 25 min.
 
Remtech, if you are in the Theresa area, give Wild Wings out of Campbellsport a try....if there is a next time. They have a couple really nice fields just west of lomira now. Nice birds, and they will plant them exactly how you want them planted, or let you plant them yourself. Plus, they don't charge for scratch birds, which is nice.

Now a sort of off topic question...when you say your dog "sets", is that essentially pointing without the point? The only time I have heard that term used was referring to the dog stopping and freezing when in the vicinity of a bird, but not actually pointing with his nose/tail? Just curious.
 
What it boils down to is the quality of the bird. You will see a dif from different growers. We have bought them from all over, and raise some. Some are crap some there is no way on Gods green earth you would know the difference from wild, no way. I bought chicks from a new source for cost reason this year. They suck. Small, never grew worth a darn and slow flush or not at all. Just crap genetics. Even if you feed them good feed. Trust me, they should do better then wild because no wild bird gets the dinner grown birds do. We went back and bought some here from my old source, and whew, rockets, all flush no traps. If the farm fits, I would just try another place and see how it goes. They obviously have crap birds, maybe from the same place I got mine. They are the largest producer in the US I believe. Not happy at all. Last year we bought chicks local, and they were awesome. Same feed. That's the just of it with raised birds. No way they should be dizzy after an hr. Couple minutes maybe.:thumbsup:
 
I agree find a different place, the birds should be much more "wild" than that. I've been to a couple different places this year and you can tell a difference in the quality of the birds, not sure if it is genetics, feed, or what but there is a big difference in quality so keep trying
 
FCSpringer said:
What it boils down to is the quality of the bird. You will see a dif from different growers. We have bought them from all over, and raise some. Some are crap some there is no way on Gods green earth you would know the difference from wild, no way. I bought chicks from a new source for cost reason this year. They suck. Small, never grew worth a darn and slow flush or not at all. Just crap genetics. Even if you feed them good feed. Trust me, they should do better then wild because no wild bird gets the dinner grown birds do. We went back and bought some here from my old source, and whew, rockets, all flush no traps. If the farm fits, I would just try another place and see how it goes. They obviously have crap birds, maybe from the same place I got mine. They are the largest producer in the US I believe. Not happy at all. Last year we bought chicks local, and they were awesome. Same feed. That's the just of it with raised birds. No way they should be dizzy after an hr. Couple minutes maybe.:thumbsup:
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McFarlane in Janesville??
 
UplandHntr said:
McFarlane in Janesville??
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I just picked birds up from a guy in Roscoe IL who has a Chinese/Manchurian cross blood line from McFarlane. His pen's are set back from his house and away from the road. They were very "wild" like for pen birds. They wanted absolutely nothing to do with me.

Even when they flushed they had a "whistle" sound that the wild birds often have when they flush. Strong birds. As soon as I waked into the pen all birds where on the opposite end of the pen. Made for some fun times trying to catch them:eek:.

In this case, it was the way his birds where raised plus a shot of Manchurian blood.

If you're interested in buying any of these birds PM me and I'll give you the guys info:).

Nick
 
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HolyMoses said:
Remtech, if you are in the Theresa area, give Wild Wings out of Campbellsport a try....if there is a next time. They have a couple really nice fields just west of lomira now. Nice birds, and they will plant them exactly how you want them planted, or let you plant them yourself. Plus, they don't charge for scratch birds, which is nice.

Now a sort of off topic question...when you say your dog "sets", is that essentially pointing without the point? The only time I have heard that term used was referring to the dog stopping and freezing when in the vicinity of a bird, but not actually pointing with his nose/tail? Just curious.
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What i mean by set is the dog is stalks the bird more does just run after the bird in less comand is given. But the dog isnt pointing the dog freezes the bird and. When the bird sits tight the dog will wait for the cammand to get the bird.
 
way to just leave guys hanging on what pheasant farm you got the birds from FCSpringer???

the pheasant farm in janesville WI is 1 of if not the biggest pen raised pheasant producer in the US...

i agree with 1pheas4 i think the strength of the flying in pen raised pheasants has alot more to do with how the birds were raised & in what type of FLY PEN was used when growing... the quality of feed will not improve a birds flight or wing strength???

if the birds just sit there in a small pen near people or wear people have EZ access to feed/water them all day never get to fly or strengthin there wings & just eat eat eat & get fat they will be the worst to place out & hunt & most will get caught by the dogs or if flushed wont fly far at all... many are jumbo ring neck pheasants also or have jumbo blood in them they look exactly like a wild ringneck just way bigger... jumbos are also not very wild at all no matter how you raise them they lack that wild gene... un-like the chinese/manchuraian pheasants them bad boy are wild wild wild hard to tame down got to do it from the day it hatches i assume??? lol

bird in a big or high fly pen will always be a stronger flyer period then a bird raised in a small pen... i agree with the genetics the pheasants need to come from wild or wild acting birds not the most tame in the pen or jumbos they would be junk to place out when hunting...

id rather shoot 1 of them manchuraian crosses to be honest they are beautiful birds....
 
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