Free enterprise vs Fed Stamp

[wesslpointer]

http://www.pheasantsforever.org/seed Lets say your a sportsman group in the Dakotas and your given the use of 40 acres of good crop land for 4 or 5 years with the STIPULATIONS. 1] You leave the soil in better shape than when you started. 2] You maximize the production/year around survival of wild Pheasants. 3] You pay for all costs of seeds/farming est. with the limited harvesting/selling of some of the crops grown. "not selling hunting" Lets see what you can come up with like type of crops, % planted and how you get income to cover costs and maximize Pheasants. I think working on something along these lines Using CRP , free enterprise would benefit the small town/pheasant hunting way more than putting control of a nonnative game bird in the hands of fed biologists that think of pheasants as invasive species !

 

[Mike Rossi]

http://www.pheasantsforever.org/seed Lets say your a sportsman group in the Dakotas and your given the use of 40 acres of good crop land for 4 or 5 years with the STIPULATIONS. 1] You leave the soil in better shape than when you started. 2] You maximize the production/year around survival of wild Pheasants. 3] You pay for all costs of seeds/farming est. with the limited harvesting/selling of some of the crops grown. "not selling hunting" Lets see what you can come up with like type of crops, % planted and how you get income to cover costs and maximize Pheasants. I think working on something along these lines Using CRP , free enterprise would benefit the small town/pheasant hunting way more than putting control of a nonnative game bird in the hands of fed biologists that think of pheasants as invasive species !

There is a legal definition of invasive species, and pheasant do not meet that definition. Although there has been a WEAK relationship with impacts on prairie chickens, pheasants do not impact other species, do not cause an economic loss (but indeed cause a positive economic effect) and are not increasing and/or expanding their populations. Have not heard federal biol calling them an IS, although some biol and others dont like any exotic wildlife or plants. fact is, it is a red herring to undermine hunting and wildlife funding more than it is an invasive biology issue.... They do the same thing with the german brown trout, however that stance at least has some merit....

 

[wesslpointer]

There is a legal definition of invasive species, and pheasant do not meet that definition. Although there has been a WEAK relationship with impacts on prairie chickens, pheasants do not impact other species, do not cause an economic loss (but indeed cause a positive economic effect) and are not increasing and/or expanding their populations. Have not heard federal biol calling them an IS, although some biol and others dont like any exotic wildlife or plants. fact is, it is a red herring to undermine hunting and wildlife funding more than it is an invasive biology issue.... They do the same thing with the german brown trout, however that stance at least has some merit....

In Idaho The Federal US Fish and Wildlife "refuges" list them as IS that must be removed.

 

[Mike Rossi]

In Idaho The Federal US Fish and Wildlife "refuges" list them as IS that must be removed.

Do you know what species they say they are impacting? And they have a line of other states that will take them live for transfer....

 

[Mike Rossi]

what refuge?

cant find the refuge you are speaking of or any info about what you said. I copied the following for you. If you can give me info about the refuge, when, who, or whatever I am really interested in looking at the situation. Here is some stuff you all should keep in your fodder, the links are provided as well a - below. also look up Executive Order 13112

NN vs invasive What are invasive species (also defines the terms ?exotic? and ?native?)?
A: To understand what an invasive species is, one must first understand the difference between an exotic species and a native species. An exotic species is any species, including its seeds, eggs, spores, or other biological material capable of propagating that species, that is not native to that habitat. Other terms sometimes used for exotic species include ?non-native.? ?non-indigenous,? and ?alien.? A native species is a species that, other than as a result of an introduction, historically occurs/occurred in that particular habitat. These definitions come from Executive Order 13112.
Q: Are all exotic (non-native) species considered invasive?
A: No, not all exotic species are invasive. In many cases, a species not native to an area is not adapted to it. If you introduced African elephants to Alaska - they would not survive. In other cases, however, a new species can do well in a new habitat, such as striped bass introduced to the Sacramento River in California. Only in a few cases do introduced species "go wild" and grow invasively, beyond acceptable levels. Current research seems to indicate that approximately 4-19% of the non-native species introduced into the U.S. might be invasive (U.S. Congress, Office of Technology Assessment, 1993).

Return to Frequently Asked QuestionsReturn to Invasive Species Web Portal Index Page
Q: Are all exotic species harmful?
A: No, not all exotic species are considered harmful. Non-native plants are fundamental to our lifestyle - most of our food crops, such as potatoes and wheat, are not native to the United States. Invasive species, however, are exotic organisms that have gone beyond being useful and have become harmful. A species is not usually recognized as invasive until it causes some sort of harm or cost to the ecology, economy, or to human health. Attempts to plant kudzu as a forage crop and an ornamental plant and attempts to develop a nutria population for fur harvest, for example, both backfired and have now become invasive species problems. There are some benefits to all species - but invasive species do more harm than good.

An invasive species is an exotic species whose introduction into an ecosystem in which the species is not native causes or is likely to cause environmental or economic harm or harm to human health. It is important to note that when we talk about a species being invasive, we are talking about ecosystem or environmental boundaries, not political ones. In addition to the many invasive species from outside the U.S., there are many species from within the U.S. that are invasive in other parts of the country because they are not native to the ecosystem in which they have become established.

Q: How can we know if an exotic species has the potential to be invasive?
A: Although there is not one specific trait or a specific set of traits common to all invasive species, there is a suite of traits that invasive species often have. Not all invasive species will have all of these traits, but most invasive species seem to have one or more of these traits. The traits include (Williams and Meffe, 1998):

High rate of reproduction
Pioneer Species (able to colonize areas after they have been disturbed)
Short generation times
Long-lived
High dispersal rates
Single-parent reproduction
Vegetative or clonal reproduction
High genetic variability
Broad native range / Tolerant of wide range of conditions / Habitat generalist (can live in many different types of habitats)
Abundant in native range
Broad diet
Gregarious
Human commensal (lives in close association with humans)
http://www.fws.gov/invasives/nwrs.html
http://www.fws.gov/invasives/faq.html
http://www.fws.gov/invasives/faq.html#q1
http://www.fws.gov/invasives/faq.html#q5

 

[wesslpointer]

Do you know what species they say they are impacting? And they have a line of other states that will take them live for transfer....

IDFG has spent a fortune on advertising to get rid of the Eurasian-collared doves. So far the doves are winning :thumbsup: I have in the past made the suggestion that the state of Idaho declare Pheasants Quail, huns, Chukar est as "essential game birds "that way at the federal level they could be part of the discussion. Mike you seem quite knowledgeable tell me something about yourself and your background?

 

[Mike Rossi]

hold on a second

Did the messages cross or did I answer the wrong post? Someone indicated that a NWR in Idaho was treating pheasant as an invasive and called for their removal. I was wondering what refuge that was, I couldnt find any info online. I would like to look into that.

 

[wesslpointer]

cant find the refuge you are speaking of or any info about what you said. I copied the following for you. If you can give me info about the refuge, when, who, or whatever I am really interested in looking at the situation. Here is some stuff you all should keep in your fodder, the links are provided as well a - below. also look up Executive Order 13112

NN vs invasive What are invasive species (also defines the terms ?exotic? and ?native?)?
A: To understand what an invasive species is, one must first understand the difference between an exotic species and a native species. An exotic species is any species, including its seeds, eggs, spores, or other biological material capable of propagating that species, that is not native to that habitat. Other terms sometimes used for exotic species include ?non-native.? ?non-indigenous,? and ?alien.? A native species is a species that, other than as a result of an introduction, historically occurs/occurred in that particular habitat. These definitions come from Executive Order 13112.
Q: Are all exotic (non-native) species considered invasive?
A: No, not all exotic species are invasive. In many cases, a species not native to an area is not adapted to it. If you introduced African elephants to Alaska - they would not survive. In other cases, however, a new species can do well in a new habitat, such as striped bass introduced to the Sacramento River in California. Only in a few cases do introduced species "go wild" and grow invasively, beyond acceptable levels. Current research seems to indicate that approximately 4-19% of the non-native species introduced into the U.S. might be invasive (U.S. Congress, Office of Technology Assessment, 1993).

Return to Frequently Asked QuestionsReturn to Invasive Species Web Portal Index Page
Q: Are all exotic species harmful?
A: No, not all exotic species are considered harmful. Non-native plants are fundamental to our lifestyle - most of our food crops, such as potatoes and wheat, are not native to the United States. Invasive species, however, are exotic organisms that have gone beyond being useful and have become harmful. A species is not usually recognized as invasive until it causes some sort of harm or cost to the ecology, economy, or to human health. Attempts to plant kudzu as a forage crop and an ornamental plant and attempts to develop a nutria population for fur harvest, for example, both backfired and have now become invasive species problems. There are some benefits to all species - but invasive species do more harm than good.

An invasive species is an exotic species whose introduction into an ecosystem in which the species is not native causes or is likely to cause environmental or economic harm or harm to human health. It is important to note that when we talk about a species being invasive, we are talking about ecosystem or environmental boundaries, not political ones. In addition to the many invasive species from outside the U.S., there are many species from within the U.S. that are invasive in other parts of the country because they are not native to the ecosystem in which they have become established.

Q: How can we know if an exotic species has the potential to be invasive?
A: Although there is not one specific trait or a specific set of traits common to all invasive species, there is a suite of traits that invasive species often have. Not all invasive species will have all of these traits, but most invasive species seem to have one or more of these traits. The traits include (Williams and Meffe, 1998):

High rate of reproduction
Pioneer Species (able to colonize areas after they have been disturbed)
Short generation times
Long-lived
High dispersal rates
Single-parent reproduction
Vegetative or clonal reproduction
High genetic variability
Broad native range / Tolerant of wide range of conditions / Habitat generalist (can live in many different types of habitats)
Abundant in native range
Broad diet
Gregarious
Human commensal (lives in close association with humans)
http://www.fws.gov/invasives/nwrs.html
http://www.fws.gov/invasives/faq.html
http://www.fws.gov/invasives/faq.html#q1
http://www.fws.gov/invasives/faq.html#q5

All this red tape. All it well take for one anti group to prove/clam a pheasant does something wrong and by by. Its for this and other reasons I'm against a fed upland stamp. I'm sticking with PF and state rights.

 

[Mike Rossi]

In Idaho The Federal US Fish and Wildlife "refuges" list them as IS that must be removed.

I think this is the third or fourth time I asked you, where did you get this from and what refuge? It sounds like a bunch of bull, did you just make it up or what?

 

[wesslpointer]

I think this is the third or fourth time I asked you, where did you get this from and what refuge? It sounds like a bunch of bull, did you just make it up or what?

Was it 3 or 4? Cool your jets big guy. "be nice" It was in the Fed Nampa, Id lake Lowell proposed 10 yr manegment plan they lumped noxious weeds , nonnative all in one bunch there was no time table to remove any of them weeds included. I talked to the manager of a refuge he said don't worry there not going to remove them "Pheasants". My worry is if it got put in the final plan an anti group could force them to be removed. Why don't you find the final plan I would like to see it.

 

[Mike Rossi]

ok

sorry for the sarcasm and thanks for the info. i will look into it and let you know what I learn. I agree that anytime something like that is entertained, it can surface again. I am also interested in who said that and what their reasoning was. I am sure you know, it may take a while to get the info, but you will hear from me when i get it.