Ditch birds - public or private acting?

Limitless

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Game farm/preserve birds act differently than non-pen raised birds. They are also not as strong.

Personally, I rate private land birds (that are very rarely hunted) only a couple notches up from preserve birds, regarding how they behave (not regarding muscle mass, strength of flying, etc.). I do hunt private land when given the opportunity, but I just view them differently.

At the far end of the spectrum, I put heavily pressured public land birds. Cunning, scared, fast as a whip -- the pinnacle of "walk up" (as some Brits call it) pheasant hunting.

It dawned on me today that although ditches are on public right of ways, that doesn't necessarily mean they behave like public land birds.

Do you think ditch birds, on the whole, act more like public land birds (WMA/GPA/WPA/WIA/etc) or more like private land birds?
 
Game farm/preserve birds act differently than non-pen raised birds. They are also not as strong.

Personally, I rate private land birds (that are very rarely hunted) only a couple notches up from preserve birds, regarding how they behave (not regarding muscle mass, strength of flying, etc.). I do hunt private land when given the opportunity, but I just view them differently.

At the far end of the spectrum, I put heavily pressured public land birds. Cunning, scared, fast as a whip -- the pinnacle of "walk up" (as some Brits call it) pheasant hunting.

It dawned on me today that although ditches are on public right of ways, that doesn't necessarily mean they behave like public land birds.

Do you think ditch birds, on the whole, act more like public land birds (WMA/GPA/WPA/WIA/etc) or more like private land birds?
Depends on how close they are to public.
 
I also wonder if ditch birds might be inbetween in how they act, on the whole. Maybe they get pressured a little more than private land birds, but not as much as public? Of course, if they are in an area where ditches are hit hard, that might change the equation too.

Do we think ditch birds are birds that hang out in ditches, or are they just part of some random rotation of birds that normally hang out in non-ditches and sometimes end up in ditches?
 
Birds that are roosting on public but frequent ditches to avoid pressure act like private birds in the ditches.
Interesting facet. So the are maybe notch above (in wariness) birds who have the luxury of roosting and spending daytime on private, but only so far as knowing to head to the ditches to avoid 2 legged predators.
 
My son and I have a friend in eastern Illinois who lets us hunt his private land. With very few exceptions, in that area they farm the proverbial fencerow to fencerow, except there are no fencerows! You get the idea---other than ditches and the accompanying filter strips, there IS no other cover, so ditches are what we hunt there. We hunted there last on December 29--a rare 35-40 degree day but plenty windy--and were fortunate enough to limit out (2 roosters apiece). The birds were as wild there as in South Dakota where we hunted in October. We would benefit if we had another guy as a blocker, but still the ditch cover is sufficiently thick that we do see a good number of birds and they are just as wily as any birds we've ever hunted. On 12/29 I used a Remarms 20 gauge 870; I used a skeet choke and Fiocchi Golden Pheasant #6's, as the shots were close range (within 12-20 yards).
 
Yesterday I did quite a little bit of driving, in order to hunt ditches, in areas with LOTS of public land. I hunted ditches & one WPA briefly. I saw 3 other guys out hunting ditches, 1 hunting private land, & nobody on public. In the areas I hunt, ditches get hunted regularly. Maybe not as frequently as public land (early in the season for sure), but regularly (especially late season). When it snows, it's very common to see human tracks along a pheasanty ditch, just as you'd see them on a public spot. And let's remember that as public spots are finite in number, so are pheasanty stretches of ditch. People who know how to find pheasants know this, so the good ditches get hunted the most.

This is repetition, but here's why I hunt ditches. They're relatively easy hunting (I'd try to hunt a public spot in the most effective, easiest way too). When it's super cold, you don't have to spend long periods away from the heated truck (my fingers are less tolerant of cold than they once were). It's easy to use the wind to your advantage to mask noise. And mostly, by now, in my areas, very, VERY few roosters are using public land during the day. Hens may be, but almost no roosters. But they're around somewhere; they haven't all died. How do I know?? Years & years of experimentation.

The small parts of the state I hunt are loaded with public land. There are hardly any preserves & very few private pheasant havens. In these areas, public land, I believe, produces a high percentage (if not the lion's share) of pheasants each spring/summer. As time goes on, summer passes, pheasant season starts, crops are harvested, winter happens....these birds spread out, not only on a daily basis, but on a more long term basis too. This phenomenon is what makes South Dakota South Dakota. The pheasants have a staggering number of options, unlike some other states, where 1 big slough, buffer strip, CRP field, etc. might be the only significant pheasant habitat for several miles. Where I hunt, there may be 1 big slough & 4 little ones....in every section! And every farm place, occupied or abandoned, has a big shelterbelt around it. Pheasants can be anywhere! But by now, roosters know not to be on public land between 10:00 & sunset. And those are the ones I want.

The point to all this is...in areas I hunt, regardless of where roosters actually ARE, many of them ARE public land birds, or at least were until maybe Nov. 1. You may find a thicket full of them in a ditch somewhere, but they may very well plan to roost that evening in a big slough on a WPA a 1/2 mile or even a mile away. They act like public birds. They're just easier to hunt when you can find them in a ditch (so they may SEEM "dumber"). Big border/edge, which is, of course, the road. Frequently another huge edge that is a picked/plowed corn/bean field. Skinny cover that frequently comes to an end, especially when there's enough snow to knock down all grass, leaving only a short stretch of cattails. They still run. They still flush wild. They still dig in. They still use every play in the book, but they're a little easier to deal with. I'm frequently finding lone roosters, who aren't surrounded by 10 hens, with 20 ears & 20 eyes.

Now, for the last few years, I've had the HUGE privilege of hunting 1 day toward the end of the season with Golden Hour, on private land. We typically start on some land adjacent to a WPA. It's got a food plot & big slough, & it's loaded with birds. But they're pretty challenging. They're public land birds. It's an absolute blast to SEE them, but if we finish the spot with 2 or 3 in the truck, we've done well. Then he takes me to 1 of 2 or 3 spots he's got that've hardly been hunted at all, sometimes not at all, or at least not since opening weekend. These are different pheasants. They're Private Land Dummies (PLDs), so easy compared to what we've been used to that it's literally laughable. We finish up quick & stand around mocking them for awhile. But we also acknowledge that we'd only maybe get away with what we just did once, twice...3 times at most (if we spread out our assaults), before those birds (the roosters anyway) wised up & started turning the tables on us. PLDs don't stay PLDs for long.

Anyhow, it's 10:56, -30 windchill, & Ace is snoozing beside me on the couch. He's been expectant all morning though, so I suppose I'd better get ready to go. It's easy to be too comfortable inside, & I wouldn't want to let him down, as he knows the end of the season is near. Gotta make hay while the sun shines, as they say.
 
My son and I have a friend in eastern Illinois who lets us hunt his private land. With very few exceptions, in that area they farm the proverbial fencerow to fencerow, except there are no fencerows! You get the idea---other than ditches and the accompanying filter strips, there IS no other cover, so ditches are what we hunt there. We hunted there last on December 29--a rare 35-40 degree day but plenty windy--and were fortunate enough to limit out (2 roosters apiece). The birds were as wild there as in South Dakota where we hunted in October. We would benefit if we had another guy as a blocker, but still the ditch cover is sufficiently thick that we do see a good number of birds and they are just as wily as any birds we've ever hunted. On 12/29 I used a Remarms 20 gauge 870; I used a skeet choke and Fiocchi Golden Pheasant #6's, as the shots were close range (within 12-20 yards).
Sounds like a fun time!
 
Personally, I rate private land birds (that are very rarely hunted) only a couple notches up from preserve birds, regarding how they behave (not regarding muscle mass, strength of flying, etc.). I do hunt private land when given the opportunity, but I just view them differently.

Comparing wild birds on private land to flare nares is a stretch of unimaginable proportions. One set grows up in the wild evading predators, fights the elements, and needs to find food to survive. Flare nares are on the same level as domesticated poultry. They grow up in a barn with water, food, and zero stress in their lives. There is no survivability.

Certainly there may be a difference in pressure when comparing birds on private land that is only occasionally or rarely hunted to birds on public land. No one would deny that. But comparing any type of wild birds to pseudos is laughable.
 
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We didn't get going as soon as I'd hoped. Got roped into proof reading my daughter's scholarship application essays. But this took 90 minutes start to finish today (plus a 40 minute drive out & 40 back). It was 0 degrees & -20 windchill. Hunted 6 chunks of ditch & saw pheasants in 5 of them. 1 shot just across the road from a WPA. 1 shot 100 yds down the road from a WPA. And 1 shot in the same section as (& less than a half mile from) a WPA. They're public land roosters in every sense. They've just learned not to use it from 10:00 to sunset, if at all. This situation may not hold true for everyone else everywhere else, but they're the cards I've been dealt, so I play them.

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Game farm/preserve birds act differently than non-pen raised birds. They are also not as strong.

Personally, I rate private land birds (that are very rarely hunted) between a couple notches up from preserve birds, regarding how they behave (not regarding muscle mass, strength of flying, etc.). I do hunt private land when given the opportunity, but I just view them differently.

At the far end of the spectrum, I put heavily pressured public land birds. Cunning, scared, fast as a whip -- the pinnacle of "walk up" (as some Brits call it) pheasant hunting.

It dawned on me today that although ditches are on public right of ways, that doesn't necessarily mean they behave like public land birds.

Do you think ditch birds, on the whole, act more like public land birds (WMA/GPA/WPA/WIA/etc) or more like eprivate land birds?
Im hunting 4 parcels of approx 320a of scattered ag/bird cover that hasn't been hunted this year this week aa soon as the weather breaks. I wont see much difference between public wild and private wild. To say that an unpressured private bird is equivalent to a pen raised bird is not even close.
I used to chomp my teeth to this hunt thinking it would be easy years ago.. its not..
 
We didn't get going as soon as I'd hoped. Got roped into proof reading my daughter's scholarship application essays. But this took 90 minutes start to finish today (plus a 40 minute drive out & 40 back). It was 0 degrees & -20 windchill. Hunted 6 chunks of ditch & saw pheasants in 5 of them. 1 shot just across the road from a WPA. 1 shot 100 yds down the road from a WPA. And 1 shot in the same section as (& less than a half mile from) a WPA. They're public land roosters in every sense. They've just learned not to use it from 10:00 to sunset, if at all. This situation may not hold true for everyone else everywhere else, but they're the cards I've been dealt, so I play them.

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It helps that you think like a pheasant also 😀
 
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