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No idea, but they are ugly as sin.

Turkey vulture

Have 3 DT launchers and 4 foot traps. Each has it's place. Had the same experience with quail. Too many times my pup was able to catch the quail, fairly counterproductive considering using a launcher is supposed to get the bird flying without chance of your dog catching it.

Very cool...what state did you harvest your birds in?

Bought one for this years season. I purchased the model with the lightning grip. So far so good. I'm using Golden Pheasant ammo in mine and last Friday it was two for two, both on the first shot.