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Yeah I agree. I've talked with a lot of guys that have versatile dogs at various NAVHDA events and a lot of them used to run labs and they say they'd never go back to a lab after having a versatile breed. Again, not that labs are bad dogs by any stretch, they're just different compared to a...

I agree with you that a lot of it is just luck. That like may depend a bit on each situation, like when I've brought a couple buddies hunting that don't have dogs. A lot of the action is by me with the dog. But doing a big line, drive style hunt, completely luck which way the bird goes or who...

Thanks for the info. And yeah it's smooth, just stiff. Doesn't feel like it's catching on anything, just needs to be broken in I'm sure. I've only opened and closed it a handful of times. I'll shoot it for the first time next weekend so should get a few boxes of shells through it.

Picked up my first O/U last night and in reading through the manual it stated for the oil finished stocks to use Danish oil or Tung oil and not to use any gun oil on the wood. This gun is the first oil finished stock I've ever owned so curious how those of you with oil finished stocks clean up...

Idk what the thought process is for outlawing it. I'm guessing maybe related to helping bird numbers? Take an example that I've had happen often while hunting here in MN. Multiple times that I'm hunting with my dad, I'll end up shooting 3 birds to his 1. Usually because for one it's my dogs...

Was this the article Birdman? https://www.pheasantsforever.org/BlogLanding/Blogs/Pheasants-Forever/What-is-party-hunting-and-where-is-it-legal.aspx

Agreed. Don't get me wrong, labs are fantastic dogs, I've hunted with them and my dad had labs when I grew up, but they don't compare to a versatile dog.

And he tries to tell me no Small Munsterlander can keep up with a lab in the water haha a well trained dog will do just about anything

If you can get your hands on even a dead bird, it would probably help. Clip winged would be best because there's a lot more temptation for the dog as they flop around in the water. But a dead bird will work too.

Hot dogs are my go to high value treat when training haha

Yeah usually another dog will swimming coerce a young one to swim. But sounds like Goose has tried that. My dog now wouldn't swim even when the older one was out there swimming around and retrieving bumpers. She'd wait at the bank for her to get out then chase her to get the bumper. What I ended...

Only someone gucci would get a pedigree

I would suggest not pushing him off a dock anymore. That didn't help your cause any if he was already hesitant around water and likely caused you to make life more difficult now. I would suggest putting on rubber boots, waders would be better, and getting in the water with him. Bring high value...

Yeah as a tool it would be great. I definitely see the pros for that gun, especially at its price point. CZ probably sells a ton of them given that they are a sub 6 pound O/U for about $800

I contemplated the CZ for a bit after handling it but it seems to be 50/50 on if you get a good one or not. Plus I'm a pretty big Browning fan boy haha

I checked out the CZ ultralight at Scheels when I ordered my Citori. That thing was incredibly light.

I'm in my 30s and for me and people my age gucci means fancy haha

You sound like a perfect hunting buddy for Goose 😂

A couple pictures for anyone possibly interested

I know we all like shotguns most here but my dad has a 1952 Marlin 336 RC .35 REM for sale. I have an idea of value on it using Gun Broker and True Gun Value, he's thinking $800 is fair given what others have sold for in auctions. He has gotten a couple trade in offers from shops local but...