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    Lab guys sorry but....

    After getting pointing breeds. I don't think I can ever go back to flushers. My family only had labs before that and don't think it's because labs are bad in any way, they just aren't the same as hunting behind your own pointer. If I hunted waterfowl, I possibly would lean the other way, but I...
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    Favorite steel

    I think this is a different can of worms. Those are from federal not hevi-shot. They are just using hevi-shots bismuth. At least from my understanding.
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    Preferred 20 Gauge Shell

    Oh yeah those were fantastic videos and I think help close the case. If shotstring were 30ft+ we could maybe start worrying about it for some situations. But yeah I think everything he saw was basically like 15ft and under. And that was counting the first and last pellet vs just the "core". I...
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    Party Hunting

    I assume it's outlawed just so you can't have multiple people show up just so one person can shoot more than their limit. Like bringing multiple kids who might just sit in the car and then saying your 15 birds was equally shot by everyone. It would take a lot of work for a warden to know you...
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    Preferred 20 Gauge Shell

    Last thing I'll add about shot string. How would any regular person go about finding their shot string? It's very difficult to actually do and avoiding a shell because it "might" have a longer shot string is just straight up bad reasoning. Unless you know your string is really really long...
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    Preferred 20 Gauge Shell

    You're right on track with that. Both velocity and payload increases recoil in a squared manner. So a 1450 vs 1300 has 25% more recoil. Which is like going from a 1 oz payload to 1 1/8 payoad. That's actual recoil. Felt recoil is more complicated but basically a faster recoil feels worse than a...
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    Lab puppy

    Someone in the retrieving world has a rule that the air and water temperature should add to 120 degrees for any training being done. If you push a dog to train in too cold of water, they are going to hate the water. Water should be fun to be in. If you are hunting then you can have them going...
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    Preferred 20 Gauge Shell

    Just checked and even their 12g is 3 inch with only 1 oz shot. Curious if they are doing that to have a good cushioning wad, or because they want people to think their 3 inch justifies the cost. But yeah really is proof that length is not the main thing anyone should look at other than if their...
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    Preferred 20 Gauge Shell

    This is why we really shouldn't even be talking length of shell. It's such a red herring in most discussions.
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    protection while hunting

    This thread was pretty recent. https://forum.ultimatepheasanthunting.com/threads/ear-protection-while-bird-hunting.26798/
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    Preferred 20 Gauge Shell

    I really hate the term square load. None of the loads are even close to square. it's just a buzz word. And it really depends on shot hardness and wad design more than ratio. I prefer another guideline that is simply your gun weight should be 96 times the payload weight. So if you are shooting...
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    How many shells?

    If anyone has never hunted good quail area, I highly suggest making a trip for them. It's honestly the most direct fun you can have with uplands. Just bring a lot of ammo.
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    Gucci Time

    If you only hunt with 1 partner, you automatically are in a line. Which makes a lot of people gucci.
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    Preferred 20 Gauge Shell

    Going 410 since I am doing pure TSS not duplex. I have a 3/8 oz #11 (1700fps) for those medium/small birds and then a 1/2oz #9 (1350 fps) for pheasant and maybe duck. Both patterned great and basically zero recoil. Testing out a single shot gun as well to help teach myself shot selection. It...
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    Preferred 20 Gauge Shell

    That is what is wrong with hevi-shot ammo though. They leave a lot of things vague and then silently change things around. If they were transparent about how they come about decisions rather than "hits harder" I would support them a lot more with what they are trying to do. It's just the over...
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    How many shells?

    I feel that. I know I'm a terrible shot. I can go 80/100 on sporting clays and then the next day only hit 20/100. Still trying to figure out what works for me. Probably should do a gun fitting. Also keep in mind people on the internet frequently lie or conveniently leave out their bad days so...
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    Preferred 20 Gauge Shell

    Exactly how I feel about them. I actually use them a lot in the 5 shot version for grouse/chukar/ptarmigan. They throw an amazing pattern from my guns compared to anything else I've shot. Probably because it's only 1325 fps with steel. I personally don't believe the bismuth does anything good...
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    How many shells?

    I'm not sure why you think I was criticizing you. I agreed with how many you bring.
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    PF Goes Pen-Reared....Again!!

    Counter point. Good wild photos cost more than pen raised. And that eats into the budget which can be spent on other things. I bet 99% of people never notice the difference and thus doesn't actually matter. Although I still find it funny so keep posting when they show up.
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    Boss shotgun ammunition

    We really need to get away from the high brass low brass thing. It truly doesn't do anything for the ballistics. It used to just be for pressure, but newer shells don't need it. But I fully admit to feeling better having high brass. Maybe we all need to reload full brass and we'll be able to hit...
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