I thought it would be nice to discuss how you get the dogs under control with out a collar. In many of my training pics, well most. You will notice no e collar. I have various ways of accomplishing this. A dog gets hot spots and sores from a collar as we all know, from prolonged use. It is a shorter time period then some may think. So it is important to be able to have the team player with or without a collar. Not to mention the field trials I attend, you can not use them. What do you do. I will post back a few ideas later. This will help some getting started with there first dog or problem areas.